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Old 12-07-2018, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MiniBlade

Iím all for cars evolving and even tracks changing a bit, but thereís a point where I draw the line, and that is when carpet takes over off-road altogether. When guys are so desirous of traction that theyíll say - ďf*** it, lets just run on carpet.Ē Oh, yeah, and why donít we just put down our radios and just push pur cars around the track by hand? That would fully eliminate traction issues.
That isnít why carpet is being run. In the UK and places in Europe turf was and is used outdoor because the rain is too frequent for dirt to be a reliable racing surface. More recently it has been used so that races can be held in temporary locations, itís cleaner and easier to maintain in permanent locations (tell a landlord youíre going to put truckloads of dirt in their building...). Plus, show me a hobby business that makes enough $ to pay for track build helpers. All that, and itís almost 100% consistent so everyone has fair runs.

Like I said, I donít enjoy racing on it, but letís recognize the reasons why itís used. There are good reasons tracks are turning to it.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidka


That isnít why carpet is being run. In the UK and places in Europe turf was and is used outdoor because the rain is too frequent for dirt to be a reliable racing surface. More recently it has been used so that races can be held in temporary locations, itís cleaner and easier to maintain in permanent locations (tell a landlord youíre going to put truckloads of dirt in their building...). Plus, show me a hobby business that makes enough $ to pay for track build helpers. All that, and itís almost 100% consistent so everyone has fair runs.

Like I said, I donít enjoy racing on it, but letís recognize the reasons why itís used. There are good reasons tracks are turning to it.
Absolutely. I think if carpet is all youíve got to work with, or allowed to work with, go for it. I just hate to see dirt completely disappear and carpet completely take over off-road. Just seems sacrilegious to me, like itís taking something fundamental away from off-road racing.

Anyway, enough of this crap from me. This thread is for discussing the new 5.0, not debating carpet vs. dirt.
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:22 PM
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For those who have owned both modern Associated and TLR buggies, do you find them very comparable? Would it be more costly to maintain a TLR vs Associated? I'm still a beginner with decent driving experience, so I can get used to anything, but I'm curious on what the biggest differences between them are. My B6.1D has been a great platform to learn with, and has been extremely tough. I've only broken one part in about 4 months of running it. It was a rear arm while practicing clearing the new triple at my local track. Didn't even noticed it was cracked until I got home, though. I'm looking to switch because I enjoy building kits, both brands see success at my track, the SR will have everything I wanted on my current car, and I need an excuse to paint a new body.
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Old 12-09-2018, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by I_NeedBigDrink
For those who have owned both modern Associated and TLR buggies, do you find them very comparable? Would it be more costly to maintain a TLR vs Associated? I'm still a beginner with decent driving experience, so I can get used to anything, but I'm curious on what the biggest differences between them are. My B6.1D has been a great platform to learn with, and has been extremely tough. I've only broken one part in about 4 months of running it. It was a rear arm while practicing clearing the new triple at my local track. Didn't even noticed it was cracked until I got home, though. I'm looking to switch because I enjoy building kits, both brands see success at my track, the SR will have everything I wanted on my current car, and I need an excuse to paint a new body.
That's fine man. That's enough reason for most of us to buy a new kit. Won't make you better or faster though. Most of the new kits are durable like that, 22 included.
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Old 12-09-2018, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fredswain
I remember about 8 years ago when people were saying things like "if mid motor is so good, why isn't anyone running it?" or "rear motor will always be king". Car designs are representative of the most common track designs. If everyone still raced on old school soft loam, we would not see everyone running laydown 3 gear mid motor setups. They would not work as well. I don't care who claims otherwise.
My concern for 1/10 off road is that slowly, but steadily, the cars are becoming more indoor/high traction oriented. Outdoor dirt off road still exists, but the disconnect from the pro level and the typical weekend racer is apparent. I look at this new 5.0, and love all the work they did to it. But to make this track worthy at many local dirt tracks requires some additional options. The same can be said to other brands. I kinda miss the days around the B5 or even the 90s. Meh, maybe traditional dirt tracks are going the way of the dinosaurs.

That being said, I'm making my shopping list for the 5.0 to become truely dirt worthy...
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Old 12-10-2018, 05:45 PM
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It is going to be a long one till some people start running this and seeing what needs improving, while we talk all about clay tracks dying out, lol! I see the 4.0 has dropped in price. Would be nice to see a comparison between the 4.0 and 5.0, just sayin. I am seriously looking at this when it becomes available. I am running a B5M and really like it. Not sure on the B6.1 just yet as this has really caught my eye, the 22 5.0. I am getting faster and want something that can handle the power I want to throw at it. I now have a Reedy 8.0 in my B5M, and will be putting an RSX in it to take use of the extra power. .
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:11 PM
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Looks like TLR saved me some money. It appears the 22 5.0 is a totally different buggy with no way to convert a 4.0 to it. Beings my 22 4.0sr is only a few months old and I'm still getting the hang of racing after 8 years away I see no need to buy a complete new kit. By the time I get good and competitive they will most likely have another kit out and I will probably skip the 22 5.0 altogether. Lol
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by platgof
It is going to be a long one till some people start running this and seeing what needs improving, while we talk all about clay tracks dying out, lol! I see the 4.0 has dropped in price. Would be nice to see a comparison between the 4.0 and 5.0, just sayin. I am seriously looking at this when it becomes available. I am running a B5M and really like it. Not sure on the B6.1 just yet as this has really caught my eye, the 22 5.0. I am getting faster and want something that can handle the power I want to throw at it. I now have a Reedy 8.0 in my B5M, and will be putting an RSX in it to take use of the extra power. .
Man... I liked my B5M, and even went as far as buying the RedWorkshop laydown for it and it was good. BUT, and I'm shocked to say it.. my B6(not B6D) was night and day different in a great way than the B5M, this is on clay and med/high traction dirt. The B5M is edgy compared to the B6. The B6 was so easy to drive fast and super forgiving. I have built-up B6.1 but haven't run it yet.
I really liked my 22 3.0SR but it was more edgy than my B6, but a brass anti-squat block and some tweeks got them feeling similar. Going from the 22 3.0sr to the 22 4.0 was night/day different in a great way too.. All the great changes I noticed b/t the B5M & B6, I also noticed when switching from 22 3.0 to 4.0.. forgiving, easy to drive fast, etc.. so much so that my 22 3.0 was on ebay a couple of days later. I never owned a TLR 22t unitl the 4.0, but had heard the changes to it made it feel like a completely different truck than the 3.0 too. I love my 22t 4.0!

Based on TLR/Franks track record with platform tweeksÖ It safe to bet that the 5.0 will have noticeable driving differences over the 4.0. I don't know how it would but I'm looking forward to finding out
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by I_NeedBigDrink
For those who have owned both modern Associated and TLR buggies, do you find them very comparable? Would it be more costly to maintain a TLR vs Associated? I'm still a beginner with decent driving experience, so I can get used to anything, but I'm curious on what the biggest differences between them are. My B6.1D has been a great platform to learn with, and has been extremely tough. I've only broken one part in about 4 months of running it. It was a rear arm while practicing clearing the new triple at my local track. Didn't even noticed it was cracked until I got home, though. I'm looking to switch because I enjoy building kits, both brands see success at my track, the SR will have everything I wanted on my current car, and I need an excuse to paint a new body.
I can only speak to the AE/TLR cars, but they are pretty comparable. Imo you are getting better quality parts with TLR. I personally love the TLR kit build quality. They really up their game back when they rolled out the OG 22 1.0 and 22-4, and have stuck too it. Plus, the racer support that TLR has given here on RCTECH, and now on other Social Media platforms cant be touched. It started with Dan, and now you have anywhere from a TLR Engineering, Product Manager, Pro-racer, TLR Support, and other sponsored racers responding to questions and comments for us racers - even when private messaged.
I honestly have never seen that kind of interaction with the average Joe racer from another company, let alone for as long as Losi/TLR has been doing it.

So, come on over to the DarksideÖ they have people that will help you learn more.

ps: TLR guys.. don't make a liar out me! lol
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Old 12-14-2018, 12:14 PM
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I've got a B6.1 and going to pick up the 5.0. So we'll see.
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Is the thrust ball/washer assembly a ďcagedĒ unit or are both washers flat?
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Old 12-15-2018, 08:11 AM
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Looks flat like the 4.0 was
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:34 AM
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but new thrust, beefier screw, washers, spring etc. from what 5.0 video said
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Old 12-16-2018, 02:26 PM
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I havenít been into the hobby for years but Iím looking to return as a first time buggy racer. Iím going to need to buy everything right down to the battery charger.

So to get to my questions, currently the 4.0 is on sale for $200. Am I going to quickly see parts and support for the 4.0 disappear? Does the 4.0 and 5.0 share many parts (atleast from what is known at this point). I doubt Iíll see any noticeable differences from the two since Iíve never driven a buggy but I also donít want to be super outdated from the start, let alone in a year or two. What is everyoneís opinions?
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Old 12-17-2018, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RazorRC
I've got a B6.1 and going to pick up the 5.0. So we'll see.
Same here. Like my b6.1d, and run it 17.5 stock. Want a 2nd 2wd Buggy to practice for Mod. Thought I would give it a shot.
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