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Old 11-30-2018, 01:29 PM
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Any word on whether the 5.0 Dirt/Clay version will have a ball diff or will it use the gear diff too? I haven't seen any details on the DC version?
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rcjourneyman
Any word on whether the 5.0 Dirt/Clay version will have a ball diff or will it use the gear diff too? I haven't seen any details on the DC version?
I HATE gear diffs. Way to heavy
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Old 12-01-2018, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by packhntr
I HATE gear diffs. Way to heavy
Ball diffs are soon to be a thing of the past.
From 1/8 scale all the way down to 1/12 scale now, gear diffs rule, or spool where applicable.
Nearly 0 maintenance.
Ball diffs, well, you know.
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Negative. There will always be a place for ball diffs on less than carpet traction.
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Originally Posted by F N CUDA
Ball diffs are soon to be a thing of the past.
From 1/8 scale all the way down to 1/12 scale now, gear diffs rule, or spool where applicable.
Nearly 0 maintenance.
Ball diffs, well, you know.
psycho is right. If ball diffs could be replaced for 1/10 off road, it'd have long ago been done. A ball diff offers a unique performance quality that nobody has been able to surpass or replicate with gear diffs. I thought the TLR planetary diff might change things, but they're abandoning it for conventional spider/sun gears.

Also, if you think that gear diffs are zero maintenance and ball diffs require lots, I'm sorry to tell you, but you're using both incorrectly.
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Old 12-01-2018, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidka
If ball diffs could be replaced for 1/10 off road, it'd have long ago been done. A ball diff offers a unique performance quality that nobody has been able to surpass or replicate with gear diffs.
My sentiments exactly ... which is why I'm eager to see what TLR puts in its Clay/Dirt version of the 5.0 ... I can't imagine they'd put in a gear diff for the dirt version but it's also hard to figure they'd manufacture two completely different diffs due to mfg cost concerns? I'm new to this forum but it looks like this thread will likely have the latest news on the 5.0 for Dirt/Clay!

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Most makes already make a ball diff and a gear diff for their platforms. I expect they’ll use their existing ball diff in the dirt car. It’d be cool if they’ve figured out how to get a gear diff to work as well on dirt & clay, but 5he latest 4 wed setups that the TLR tram is running have gone back to a ball diff in the rear. That tells me they’re not there yet.
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Old 12-02-2018, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Davidka
Most makes already make a ball diff and a gear diff for their platforms. I expect they’ll use their existing ball diff in the dirt car. It’d be cool if they’ve figured out how to get a gear diff to work as well on dirt & clay, but 5he latest 4 wed setups that the TLR tram is running have gone back to a ball diff in the rear. That tells me they’re not there yet.
I'm just getting back into the hobby after a 15 year absence and didn't know most mfgr's already make a ball and a gear diff, I'm impressed ... that also helps explain part of why kit prices have gotten risen so much, they were about 50% less when I stopped racing around '03. I was always "a Losi guy" back then, but many, if not nearly all, at my local track run Associated [in 2WD buggy]. I'm running a used 22 3.0 with the laydown tranny at the moment and am trying to decide whether to join the Associated crowd or wait for the 5.0 D/C version. With it likely that TLR will stick with its tried and true ball diff, I think I'll wait to see what the D/C version looks like when it makes its debut.

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Got to see all three versions of the 5.0 at the TLR Midwest Classic this weekend. Looks like the DC will include a ball diff(not sure why they would include a gear unit, for the reasons earlier stated).

Also, it looks like they have designed a lot more or an opportunity for chassis flex into the new car. The new steering rack looks fantastic as well, a lot less play than a fresh 4.0 rack. It looks more compliant/composed on the track too(granted, in the hands of professionals). I'm excited for their release!
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Originally Posted by rcjourneyman
I'm just getting back into the hobby after a 15 year absence and didn't know most mfgr's already make a ball and a gear diff, I'm impressed ... that also helps explain part of why kit prices have gotten risen so much, they were about 50% less when I stopped racing around '03. I was always "a Losi guy" back then, but many, if not nearly all, at my local track run Associated [in 2WD buggy]. I'm running a used 22 3.0 with the laydown tranny at the moment and am trying to decide whether to join the Associated crowd or wait for the 5.0 D/C version. With it likely that TLR will stick with its tried and true ball diff, I think I'll wait to see what the D/C version looks like when it makes its debut.
50% less is an exaggeration.
Besides, you were spending a lot more on batteries, motors, brushes, springs, and a comm lathe. Now you can get by on 1-2 packs and 1 motor for a long time.
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Originally Posted by 071crazy
50% less is an exaggeration.
Besides, you were spending a lot more on batteries, motors, brushes, springs, and a comm lathe. Now you can get by on 1-2 packs and 1 motor for a long time.
Not an exaggeration, just bad math on my part, lol. I remembered kits being around $200-$220, then my bad math was to figure they were costing about 50% more nowadays, or $300-$330. But 50% less than today would have been in the $150-$165 range ... which was definitely not the case around '03. Sorry about that

Yes, I'm thrilled to learn batteries and motors have advanced a lot and that my dollar goes further, way further ... my old comm lathe is growing dust bunnies in the basement, near my box of old brushed motors.
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Good kits (RC10B4 & Losi XXX) were about $225-250 back then and went up to $300+ with “Factory Team” and “BK” versions. Now the B6.1 goes $319 and the 22 4.0 is $299, kind of amazing, considering how much better the kit quality has become and what inflation has done to the costs of most everything else.
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Originally Posted by psycho02
Negative. There will always be a place for ball diffs on less than carpet traction.
Originally Posted by Davidka
psycho is right. If ball diffs could be replaced for 1/10 off road, it'd have long ago been done. A ball diff offers a unique performance quality that nobody has been able to surpass or replicate with gear diffs. I thought the TLR planetary diff might change things, but they're abandoning it for conventional spider/sun gears.

Also, if you think that gear diffs are zero maintenance and ball diffs require lots, I'm sorry to tell you, but you're using both incorrectly.
I stand corrected, I've been under the influence of a heavy dose of onroad lately where touring cars and pan cars on asphalt and carpet have pretty much switched to gear diffs and spools. Spooled front of TCs and gear diffs or spooled axles on pan cars.
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Old 12-03-2018, 04:52 AM
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The fact that both gear and ball diffs have their place is one of the reasons why quick access gearbox make your life much easier for people racing outdoors on Astroturf. As long as it is dry, everyone is happy with their gear diff, but as soon as there is a spell of rain... Has anyone mentioned yet if there will be a layback gearbox for the 5.0 like the B6.1D and Yokomo YZ-2T's LD transmission? Combined with a ball diff, my friend's B6.1 was on rails in the rain during practice at this years German Nationals when every full laydown car seemed to struggle. It is a great option for sure!
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The 6.1 is a great car
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