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Old 10-06-2022, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TurnNBurn View Post
I guess well find out next month, depending on whether or not Dakotah and team are covering their 22s with towels at the Worlds.
If you look closely at the podium pics of Dakotahs car he is running AE offset wheels. At the Nationals Cavalieri was running TLR offset wheels when he finished second.

I'd guess the new car is gonna have revised geometry to use AE wheels, 13mm shocks, and a quick access gearbox. I would also guess this is why we are not seeing setups posted.
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Old 10-06-2022, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by waitwhat View Post
If you look closely at the podium pics of Dakotahs car he is running AE offset wheels. At the Nationals Cavalieri was running TLR offset wheels when he finished second.

I'd guess the new car is gonna have revised geometry to use AE wheels, 13mm shocks, and a quick access gearbox. I would also guess this is why we are not seeing setups posted.
Dakota has been running the AE offset tires for quite some time, off and on for at least the last couple years, and consistently the last year or so.
There has been "more than a rumor" circulating for a while that IFMAR is going to move to a "Spec Wheel" going forward. I think TLR is the biggest out of a small handful of companies not to adapt the AE style wheel as default.

For what its worth, Cav was running ProLine 4WD Fronts at the Nats at SDRC.

As for the lack of set ups. I think that comes down to the fact they are using modified parts at all 4 corners.
For whatever reason, no one wants to give up their setup sheet, and more specifically their pill set up, for any of the most recent evens running the 22X-4 arms with the Vision Racing C-Block.
Which makes me wonder if they were running a modified version of the Vision Racing C-Block, and dont want to discuss it, and/or they dont want to do a set up sheet for modified parts like shaved spindles and sanded arms?

I do find interesting is that AVID just released a similar in function C-Block that that of Vision Racing.
https://www.redrc.net/2022/10/avid-a...r/#more-206682

AVID's does not have the nose that connects to the center of the chassis like the Vision Racing C-Block does. Which i would imagine allows for a little more flex in the rear of the chassis without the nose stiffening it up. The lack of nose also means it can be run with the new Transmission/Chassis brace from TLR that fits into the same area as the Vision Racing Nose attaches to the chassis, Which could be a killer setup on Carpet. https://www.horizonhobby.com/product...TLR331063.html


Maybe this means that TLR is planning on making something similar? Or waiting for a closer hopups partner to make one more in line with their needs, like AVID's?
Who knows? Probably Frank Root and Thomas Tran...and they arent talking. Which is a shame.
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Old 10-07-2022, 11:07 AM
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Anyone with experience or opinions on running with sway bars on high bite clay?
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Old 10-07-2022, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by skife View Post
The only thing it really needs is a quick change diff.
Tell that to anyone taking an Elite and buying all the parts to get it up to current setup sheets for carpet.
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Old 10-10-2022, 04:24 PM
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Does anyone know if a new carpet buggy is coming soon? My son is wanting to get into racing and our local track is a carpet track. If there is one coming soon I would like to wait and get it for him. If not then I guess I will need to go with an AE buggy since the carpet 5.0 was discontinued. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 10-11-2022, 03:57 PM
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Can you convert the elite to the plastic outdrive ball diff that came with the 5.0 SR without replacing the driveshafts and maybe hubs? The whole thing is very confusing. I've got two gear diffs and need a ball diff for dirt stock 21.5 racing if anyone wants to do a swap.
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Old 10-11-2022, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBuckORamma View Post
Maybe this means that TLR is planning on making something similar? Or waiting for a closer hopups partner to make one more in line with their needs, like AVID's?
Who knows? Probably Frank Root and Thomas Tran...and they arent talking. Which is a shame.
Wasnt Frank Root pretty active on here before? Seems he doesnt talk much anymore.
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Old 10-14-2022, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChadoSan View Post
Wasnt Frank Root pretty active on here before? Seems he doesnt talk much anymore.
Must be REALLY busy on that new 2wd. They dont even have time to update current models on their own website anymore.
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I think it's more likely they're facing the same supply chain and labor shortages the rest of the world is facing.

And to make things worse everything in the RC world is very low-margin and passion driven. If you have the technical skills needed to design and manufacture an RC car you'll make way more money doing that kind of work in literally any other industry. So not only are companies like TLR facing the same staffing challenges as everyone else, they probably can't afford to raise wages like everybody else is doing to attract employees. Finally, add in "Horizon shenanigans" on top of all of that and that's my guess as to why the 22 hasn't been updated in a while.
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Originally Posted by RC10Nick View Post
I think it's more likely they're facing the same supply chain and labor shortages the rest of the world is facing.

And to make things worse everything in the RC world is very low-margin and passion driven. If you have the technical skills needed to design and manufacture an RC car you'll make way more money doing that kind of work in literally any other industry. So not only are companies like TLR facing the same staffing challenges as everyone else, they probably can't afford to raise wages like everybody else is doing to attract employees. Finally, add in "Horizon shenanigans" on top of all of that and that's my guess as to why the 22 hasn't been updated in a while.
Probably not wrong with your assessment but until someone can beat Phend why release an even faster buggy? The guy is amazing and shows driver skill still rules supreme in RC. If the time comes the RC10BX.X proves better on the pro circuit than show off what they've developed. It's apparent there are some mods/hacks to improve the car. Most are relatively easy to install so why not let the RC community tinker with their toys and figure out what works for them. A great driver will be successful with anything, a good driver can succeed with a great car and a hobbyist will enjoy setups and modifying parts. All of these the 22 5.0 can be at this moment. But then again, let's get all the goodies and upgrades in one box! Elite 2.0?!?! I'm rooting for TLR no matter what they release, been driving their stuff since the JRx2 buggy when I was a youngling!
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Originally Posted by nrtv20 View Post
Probably not wrong with your assessment but until someone can beat Phend why release an even faster buggy?
Because the easiest way to boost sales of car kits is to release a new kit. TLR probably likes it when their cars win, but I guarantee they like it even more when they sell kits. I doubt the competitiveness of the current car plays much into when manufacturers decide to release a new one.
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Old 10-14-2022, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by waitwhat View Post
If you look closely at the podium pics of Dakotahs car he is running AE offset wheels. At the Nationals Cavalieri was running TLR offset wheels when he finished second.

I'd guess the new car is gonna have revised geometry to use AE wheels, 13mm shocks, and a quick access gearbox. I would also guess this is why we are not seeing setups posted.
I wouldnt bet on 13mm shocks. Alot of AE guys went back to 12mm. The TLR shocks are some of the best on the market. No need for 13mm.
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Originally Posted by elex300 View Post
I wouldnt bet on 13mm shocks. Alot of AE guys went back to 12mm. The TLR shocks are some of the best on the market. No need for 13mm.
UK AE driver here, but previously had a TLR 22 4.0, last time the regional guys were down to our bumpy astro track nothing handled the bumps or landed as good as the 22 5.0's going around.
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Originally Posted by nrtv20 View Post
Probably not wrong with your assessment but until someone can beat Phend why release an even faster buggy? The guy is amazing and shows driver skill still rules supreme in RC. If the time comes the RC10BX.X proves better on the pro circuit than show off what they've developed. It's apparent there are some mods/hacks to improve the car. Most are relatively easy to install so why not let the RC community tinker with their toys and figure out what works for them. A great driver will be successful with anything, a good driver can succeed with a great car and a hobbyist will enjoy setups and modifying parts. All of these the 22 5.0 can be at this moment. But then again, let's get all the goodies and upgrades in one box! Elite 2.0?!?! I'm rooting for TLR no matter what they release, been driving their stuff since the JRx2 buggy when I was a youngling!
Because in order to have the same car as Phend you need a dremel and some parts from the 22x-4, as well as AE Wheels.
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During Covid, many/most tracks shutdown so obviously nobody is going to buy a new race kit when there's no one to race against or anywhere to race it.

That coupled with supply chain issues and the fact everyone was staying home by themself crawling or bashing their Arrmas, made it a lot of sense for HH to prioritize their manufacturing to the cars and trucks that were selling like hotcakes and making a lot of money. Racing still hasn't recovered to pre-Covid levels IMO.

Overall, RC has actually declined since Covid (see the constant sales HH/Traxxas/Redcat/etc. are running). In a global recession, toys like RC are the first things people cut out from their budgets.
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