765LikesTLR 22 5.0
10-06-2022, 10:39 AM
#2491
Originally Posted by TurnNBurn
I guess we’ll find out next month, depending on whether or not Dakotah and team are covering their 22’s with towels at the Worlds. 
I'd guess the new car is gonna have revised geometry to use AE wheels, 13mm shocks, and a quick access gearbox. I would also guess this is why we are not seeing setups posted.
10-06-2022, 05:02 PM
#2492
Tech Regular
Originally Posted by waitwhat
If you look closely at the podium pics of Dakotahs car he is running AE offset wheels. At the Nationals Cavalieri was running TLR offset wheels when he finished second.
I'd guess the new car is gonna have revised geometry to use AE wheels, 13mm shocks, and a quick access gearbox. I would also guess this is why we are not seeing setups posted.
I'd guess the new car is gonna have revised geometry to use AE wheels, 13mm shocks, and a quick access gearbox. I would also guess this is why we are not seeing setups posted.
There has been "more than a rumor" circulating for a while that IFMAR is going to move to a "Spec Wheel" going forward. I think TLR is the biggest out of a small handful of companies not to adapt the AE style wheel as default.
For what its worth, Cav was running ProLine 4WD Fronts at the Nats at SDRC.
As for the lack of set ups. I think that comes down to the fact they are using modified parts at all 4 corners.
For whatever reason, no one wants to give up their setup sheet, and more specifically their pill set up, for any of the most recent evens running the 22X-4 arms with the Vision Racing C-Block.
Which makes me wonder if they were running a modified version of the Vision Racing C-Block, and dont want to discuss it, and/or they dont want to do a set up sheet for modified parts like shaved spindles and sanded arms?
I do find interesting is that AVID just released a similar in function C-Block that that of Vision Racing.
https://www.redrc.net/2022/10/avid-a...r/#more-206682
AVID's does not have the nose that connects to the center of the chassis like the Vision Racing C-Block does. Which i would imagine allows for a little more flex in the rear of the chassis without the nose stiffening it up. The lack of nose also means it can be run with the new Transmission/Chassis brace from TLR that fits into the same area as the Vision Racing Nose attaches to the chassis, Which could be a killer setup on Carpet. https://www.horizonhobby.com/product...TLR331063.html
Maybe this means that TLR is planning on making something similar? Or waiting for a closer hopups partner to make one more in line with their needs, like AVID's?
Who knows? Probably Frank Root and Thomas Tran...and they arent talking. Which is a shame.
10-07-2022, 11:07 AM
#2493
Tech Regular
Anyone with experience or opinions on running with sway bars on high bite clay?
10-10-2022, 04:24 PM
#2495
Tech Initiate
Does anyone know if a new carpet buggy is coming soon? My son is wanting to get into racing and our local track is a carpet track. If there is one coming soon I would like to wait and get it for him. If not then I guess I will need to go with an AE buggy since the carpet 5.0 was discontinued. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
10-11-2022, 03:57 PM
#2496
Can you convert the elite to the plastic outdrive ball diff that came with the 5.0 SR without replacing the driveshafts and maybe hubs? The whole thing is very confusing. I've got two gear diffs and need a ball diff for dirt stock 21.5 racing if anyone wants to do a swap.
10-11-2022, 07:42 PM
#2497
Originally Posted by BigBuckORamma
Maybe this means that TLR is planning on making something similar? Or waiting for a closer hopups partner to make one more in line with their needs, like AVID's?
Who knows? Probably Frank Root and Thomas Tran...and they arent talking. Which is a shame.
Who knows? Probably Frank Root and Thomas Tran...and they arent talking. Which is a shame.
10-14-2022, 06:18 AM
#2499
I think it's more likely they're facing the same supply chain and labor shortages the rest of the world is facing.
And to make things worse everything in the RC world is very low-margin and passion driven. If you have the technical skills needed to design and manufacture an RC car you'll make way more money doing that kind of work in literally any other industry. So not only are companies like TLR facing the same staffing challenges as everyone else, they probably can't afford to raise wages like everybody else is doing to attract employees. Finally, add in "Horizon shenanigans" on top of all of that and that's my guess as to why the 22 hasn't been updated in a while.
And to make things worse everything in the RC world is very low-margin and passion driven. If you have the technical skills needed to design and manufacture an RC car you'll make way more money doing that kind of work in literally any other industry. So not only are companies like TLR facing the same staffing challenges as everyone else, they probably can't afford to raise wages like everybody else is doing to attract employees. Finally, add in "Horizon shenanigans" on top of all of that and that's my guess as to why the 22 hasn't been updated in a while.
10-14-2022, 07:21 AM
#2500
Originally Posted by RC10Nick
I think it's more likely they're facing the same supply chain and labor shortages the rest of the world is facing.
And to make things worse everything in the RC world is very low-margin and passion driven. If you have the technical skills needed to design and manufacture an RC car you'll make way more money doing that kind of work in literally any other industry. So not only are companies like TLR facing the same staffing challenges as everyone else, they probably can't afford to raise wages like everybody else is doing to attract employees. Finally, add in "Horizon shenanigans" on top of all of that and that's my guess as to why the 22 hasn't been updated in a while.
And to make things worse everything in the RC world is very low-margin and passion driven. If you have the technical skills needed to design and manufacture an RC car you'll make way more money doing that kind of work in literally any other industry. So not only are companies like TLR facing the same staffing challenges as everyone else, they probably can't afford to raise wages like everybody else is doing to attract employees. Finally, add in "Horizon shenanigans" on top of all of that and that's my guess as to why the 22 hasn't been updated in a while.
10-14-2022, 08:20 AM
#2501
Originally Posted by nrtv20
Probably not wrong with your assessment but until someone can beat Phend why release an even faster buggy?
10-14-2022, 09:38 AM
#2502
Originally Posted by waitwhat
If you look closely at the podium pics of Dakotahs car he is running AE offset wheels. At the Nationals Cavalieri was running TLR offset wheels when he finished second.
I'd guess the new car is gonna have revised geometry to use AE wheels, 13mm shocks, and a quick access gearbox. I would also guess this is why we are not seeing setups posted.
I'd guess the new car is gonna have revised geometry to use AE wheels, 13mm shocks, and a quick access gearbox. I would also guess this is why we are not seeing setups posted.
10-14-2022, 12:12 PM
#2503
Originally Posted by elex300
I wouldnt bet on 13mm shocks. Alot of AE guys went back to 12mm. The TLR shocks are some of the best on the market. No need for 13mm.
10-14-2022, 07:23 PM
#2504
Tech Fanatic
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Originally Posted by nrtv20
Probably not wrong with your assessment but until someone can beat Phend why release an even faster buggy? The guy is amazing and shows driver skill still rules supreme in RC. If the time comes the RC10BX.X proves better on the pro circuit than show off what they've developed. It's apparent there are some mods/hacks to improve the car. Most are relatively easy to install so why not let the RC community tinker with their toys and figure out what works for them. A great driver will be successful with anything, a good driver can succeed with a great car and a hobbyist will enjoy setups and modifying parts. All of these the 22 5.0 can be at this moment. But then again, let's get all the goodies and upgrades in one box! Elite 2.0?!?! I'm rooting for TLR no matter what they release, been driving their stuff since the JRx2 buggy when I was a youngling!
10-14-2022, 11:31 PM
#2505
During Covid, many/most tracks shutdown so obviously nobody is going to buy a new race kit when there's no one to race against or anywhere to race it.
That coupled with supply chain issues and the fact everyone was staying home by themself crawling or bashing their Arrmas, made it a lot of sense for HH to prioritize their manufacturing to the cars and trucks that were selling like hotcakes and making a lot of money. Racing still hasn't recovered to pre-Covid levels IMO.
Overall, RC has actually declined since Covid (see the constant sales HH/Traxxas/Redcat/etc. are running). In a global recession, toys like RC are the first things people cut out from their budgets.
That coupled with supply chain issues and the fact everyone was staying home by themself crawling or bashing their Arrmas, made it a lot of sense for HH to prioritize their manufacturing to the cars and trucks that were selling like hotcakes and making a lot of money. Racing still hasn't recovered to pre-Covid levels IMO.
Overall, RC has actually declined since Covid (see the constant sales HH/Traxxas/Redcat/etc. are running). In a global recession, toys like RC are the first things people cut out from their budgets.
