Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Chat Lounge
FLight MH17 Malaysian Airlines >

FLight MH17 Malaysian Airlines

FLight MH17 Malaysian Airlines

Old 07-18-2014, 08:23 AM
  #1  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
 
MrUnlimited's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 2,501
Default FLight MH17 Malaysian Airlines

As you know flight mh17 form Malaysian Airlines crashed in Ukrain yesterday. Who is to blame? Ukrain or the pro Russion seperatists? I think the Ukrain Air Control because they refused to give permission to fly higher acros Ukrain accoridng this article: https://translate.google.nl/translat...vliegen__.html
MrUnlimited is offline  
Old 07-18-2014, 10:22 AM
  #2  
Tech Master
iTrader: (25)
 
spookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,944
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

I have been following this from the start. Seems like the plane was redirected right over the conflict. It was a pawn in the escalating conflict between the US and Russia imo. No matter who did it, this will be ugly.
spookie is offline  
Old 07-19-2014, 10:11 AM
  #3  
Tech Lord
iTrader: (24)
 
wingracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 13,287
Trader Rating: 24 (100%+)
Default

It was shot down by inexperienced and poorly trained separatists that couldn't tell the difference between a 777 flying at 32,000 feet and 500 mph and an AN-26 transport flying at 18,000 feet and 220 mph.

A buk SAM can hit targets up to 72,000 feet so the 777s altitude doesn't matter. 32,000 feet is a normal cruising altitude for a fully loaded and fueled 777.

It was not the only civilian airliner flying through the area. Many other were going through there as well.
wingracer is offline  
Old 07-19-2014, 10:27 PM
  #4  
Tech Master
iTrader: (27)
 
FREELANCE_RCer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,319
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...disaster-video
FREELANCE_RCer is offline  
Old 07-20-2014, 04:41 AM
  #5  
Tech Master
iTrader: (25)
 
spookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,944
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by FREELANCE_RCer View Post
I think that's been proven to be a fabrication. They used time markers to prove it. Some first on the scene said bodies looked like they had been dead longer than the time period "bodies not fresh". Even mentioned some looked embalmed, not sure what that looks like, but they also said they found serums and medical equipment in the crash. One thing is for sure, this is not a plain straight forward incident. I suspect a wag the dog type of event.
spookie is offline  
Old 07-20-2014, 12:58 PM
  #6  
Tech Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
Teodoras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Lithuania, Vilnius
Posts: 83
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Where I live, in eastern europe everyone knows,and it is proven, that the plane was hit by pro-russian separatists , because they thought that it was Ukraine's military plane AN-26. The other thing is that the missile system "BUK" was given to separatists by Russia. And the most shocking thing is that people who took down that plane doesn't regret it, they're like "They shouldn't have flyed over us, because they knew that the war is going on in here"

Spookie, this chat between separatists is real and it is not fake.
Teodoras is offline  
Old 07-20-2014, 06:47 PM
  #7  
Tech Master
iTrader: (25)
 
spookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,944
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

Honestly that wouldn't surprise me. I've seen some really shady stuff in the past. Like the Syrian gas attacks for one. It wasn't the Syrians, proven. I know this isn't a political forum, and I'm trying avoid getting the thread locked by making it one of those threads.
Frankly I think Obama, Putin, and several others are playing with fire and if their not careful, someone will push the button. They think it's under control and it's not. Their trying to herd cats and that generally doesn't work out well.

Here's what the Russians are saying
Kiev’s evidence of militia’s responsibility for airliner crash faked - expert
The tape’s second fragment consists of three pieces but was presented as a single audio recording. However, a spectral and time analysis has showed that the dialog was cut into pieces and then assembled. Short pauses in the tape are very indicative: the audio file has preserved time marks which show that the dialog was assembled from various episodes, the expert said.

The tape’s linguistic analysis also shows that those who made the faked tape clearly didn’t have enough material and time, the expert said.

That is why, speech fragments can hardly correlate with each other in terms of their sense and the spectral picture of audio materials also differs, the expert said.

But the most indicative moment is that the audio tape clearly shows that it was created almost a day before the airliner crash, the expert said.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741521

Last edited by spookie; 07-20-2014 at 06:59 PM.
spookie is offline  
Old 07-20-2014, 06:58 PM
  #8  
Tech Lord
iTrader: (52)
 
Cpt.America's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Washington State
Posts: 11,083
Trader Rating: 52 (100%+)
Default

wag
Cpt.America is offline  
Old 07-20-2014, 07:32 PM
  #9  
Tech Lord
iTrader: (24)
 
wingracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 13,287
Trader Rating: 24 (100%+)
Default

Uh yeah. I'm going to take the word of a Russian news agency. Sounds legit to me. NOT
wingracer is offline  
Old 07-20-2014, 09:05 PM
  #10  
Tech Master
 
Dr freedom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,791
Default

Just before the disaster, a BUK crosses the Russian border into the Ukraine. It was then escorted by 4 T72 tanks into Donetsk.
After shooting down the MH17, they took the BUK back across the border into Russia, they then also reversed 2 others parked in different locations back across the border.

The reality is the Russians are the only ones in that region who have the appliances to shoot down a jet from 38000 feet, the sad part is nothing will ever be done about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rder-town.html
Dr freedom is offline  
Old 07-21-2014, 05:36 AM
  #11  
Tech Master
iTrader: (25)
 
spookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,944
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Dr freedom View Post
Just before the disaster, a BUK crosses the Russian border into the Ukraine. It was then escorted by 4 T72 tanks into Donetsk.
After shooting down the MH17, they took the BUK back across the border into Russia, they then also reversed 2 others parked in different locations back across the border.

The reality is the Russians are the only ones in that region who have the appliances to shoot down a jet from 38000 feet, the sad part is nothing will ever be done about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rder-town.html
That's the only scenario I see plausible also. I haven't followed it too close after the initial first days. At this point from what I read the only thing that had the reach, was the Buk? of the Russians. The Man Pads the US supplied the former "ukranian rebels' only had a reach half that. I personally think Putin should step up admit what happened and make reparations.
spookie is offline  
Old 07-21-2014, 11:08 AM
  #12  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (1)
 
R40Victim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: N.W. FL___L.A.___Lower Alabama
Posts: 7,827
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Cpt.America View Post
wag
?? As in "Wag the Dog"?
R40Victim is offline  

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.