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Old 04-11-2005, 06:27 PM
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When I see people, more and more lately, with threads in the for sale thread of "Complete Sell Out-Leaving Hobby-Quitting R/C", it saddens me that so many people seem to be calling it quits on this hobby. I think back to when I started and the number of people that are still involved (13-14 years), there's only like 4-5 that come to mind. There doesn't seem to be the staying power that there used to be. Is this whole thing getting to be less and less fun and more about winning? I admit that one of the only reasons I am still in the hobby is the TCS series. While it is very serious and competitive, it's more like friendly rivalries and more laid back than what other forms of R/C has gotten to be. But even the TCS has changes, opening up the series to partially sponsored drivers and all. Does it bother anyone else when they see complete sell outs, leaving the hobby, etc?
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Old 04-11-2005, 06:54 PM
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13-14 years ago, RC was a lot different then than it is now. Back then it was all friendly and harmless rivalry, compare that how it is today. Competition didnt even exist like it does now and the chasis, electrics, electronics is far complex now and so much to take in, not to mention the expense in staying competitive. New shit always coming out monthly or sometimes weekly. Its not all about RC anymore, kids didnt have the PS2's or a PC's back then.
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Old 04-11-2005, 07:09 PM
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True, but people don't seem to be getting into the hobby for the same reasons anymore. As one member of one of the major teams out there told me:

People today...the only reason the majority they race is to win and get as much free s^^t as possible.

Competition did exsist back then like it does today, it was just in pan cars for the most part. There were still ROAR nationals, and some would say there was MORE Competition then versus now because NORRCA was much stronger as well. Electronics weren't as complex, but they cost almost as much. No, there weren't PS2's back then, but there were PC's (Win '95 is 10 years old this year...how scary is that!), Sega, and Nintendo.

But that wasn't the question...does it bug you that it seems like more and more people seem to be selling out and giving up on the hobby?
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Old 04-11-2005, 07:10 PM
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I'm 15 and i'd rather take a tc4 than a psp anyday. I don't really care about what's the new game concole is or what not. Atleast in RC you learn more and improve your racing everytime your on the track. You meet cool people instead of trapped in your room playing whatever game you play. Besides RC, guitar is my passion. That's probaly one of the only good things i'm good at. I'm still pretty slow in races, but atleast i place in top 5 in the mains.

What my real point is that, sure people will get out of this hobby, but i'm sure it's not for good. I mean hell people that's been doing this for over a decade... I mean there life will be alot different without this hobbby am i right? It's not the same.
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Yeah sorry bout that, got a little carried away there but i was just looking at the bigger picture. I dont know from where you are but where im at (UK) the numbers have been stable, only time i ever noticed numbers dwindle was when offroad was still the class to do but was loosing its attraction and TC was just coming to its own.

I can understand of how people who enters competition and wants to do really well, dont we all?...With regards the freebie bit im not too sure, im the wrong person to pass comment on that. what do you mean by freebies anyhow?...Do you mean by getting sponsorship and getting a lot of stuff for free?
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exactly.
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Well like i said im prolly wrong person to answer that one, since i dont know the extent of how much people actually get for free over there (i can only imagine you guys gets spoilt rotten). In the UK their a bit (if i can use that word) stingier (tightasses) and so competition here is fierce just to get a bite off a small apple...Dont believe me?...You only gotta look at the trophy's that they award here...Its a fucking Joke!!
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One thing i will add is that this sport has become more profesional, racers back then had jobs to goto to earn a living and all this rc stuff was for leisure, bit of fun if you will.

Now, its all about getting the biggest bite off the market and so yes its gotten more comercialised. Company owners are not just interested in making a bit of money if they can get buckets of it instead. To get that they want their products to be succesfull and to get some of it would be to win championships. People whose got the capacity to give them titles (ala drivers and so forth) and so sponsored drivers see this as an oppurtunity and want in on the action, so begs the question...why not?...who wouldnt?. if its there for the offering
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ive been thinking about getting out for some time now. its just way to much money to spend on somethin like this, and too much of a hassle at times.
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I think in some ways this thread could be tied to the 'Novice' thread that ran a week or so ago. I'm pretty new to RC and find getting help in understanding these cars to be difficult. I've seen people come in looking to have fun and get totally fed up quickly. I wanted to get in to have fun but keep getting pushed into racing. I don't think I'm good enough for racing and only get in the way of the more experienced guys who then get pissed at me.
It's close to 50 miles to the nearest track for me and I don't get to go as often as I want, so my learning curve isn't as good as for someone that lives close and can go as often as they like.
I really think that if some of the more experienced guys work mentor Newbies there would be more people staying in the hobby longer.
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Well dont let the door hit ya on the ass on the way out..J/K I dont think their is anymore people leaving the hobby now than before,you just read it alot more..internet.I do think one of the "problems" with RC is more a space issue than what alot of people realize.Not alot of new tracks around and the ones that are dont seem to get very much suport or get bad mouthed by the local racers,Remember this is for fun,if your not having any why do it.. I have been racing(on and off)for 20 years,Most of the guys i race with are just out for the fun of racing,a few are in the hobby for...well i dont know.. Nitrodude I was joking
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Racing definately hasnt become any more competitive. I feel that bit has remained the same over the last 10-20yrs. The difference is the companies turning it more commercial so the friendly side of it has disappeared as dog eat dog for the sponsorship hopes.

However, I got a feeling that some of the more expensive companies are starting to hurt from their greed and are now being forced to do a u-turn as the Asian manufacturers are producing better and better quality products.

I think within a few years things will be better for the newcomer especially and numbers will start to rise again. I know our 1:8th nitro class in the Uk has seen a sudden increase over the past year or so. That can only mean good things.

But it does annoy me when people are forced to quit the hobby because of money issues or lack or support. Why do we all have to try become millionaires just to have a little fun. The manufacturers are the joke and the main culprits for destroying the hobby side of it and they are too money blind to notice it.
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Originally posted by Palmaris Europe
Racing definately hasnt become any more competitive. I feel that bit has remained the same over the last 10-20yrs. The difference is the companies turning it more commercial so the friendly side of it has disappeared as dog eat dog for the sponsorship hopes.
Ermm those lines dont sound right, maybe from your own experience but were talking about the US market here, where everything is 10tiimes bigger than anywhere, whether it'll be competition and comercial aspect... There is more pressure now to do well for your sponsors if they give you their stuff and if your lucky they pay you a little extra and for your airfare to go racing everywhere you cant say the same thing about the UK market cuz its just simply too small for companies albeit Distributors to fork out! Reason is say Distributors is because most cars that are raced on UK tracks are all or most imported ie AE,Losi,Xray,Yokomo,Hpi and you've only got schumacher as a company who makes cars nowadays in the uk.

Yes as you say "A bit has remained" but a lot has deffinetly changed.

And i dont think some of the greedy companies as you say are hurting simply because Asia are producing better stuff than on the other side of the hemisphere, i would like to think its because they all produce good stuff its just customers have got more choice and good distribution gives them that..

We are not forced to do anything we dont want to its whats called Circumstancial changes. part of the fun of this sport is being competitive and being competitive means expenditure. One can still remain in the sport if they can bear not being as fast or have endurance problem as oppose to the next guy... There are ways!!...But if you simply just ran out of money to fund it all, well it was good while it lasted..

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Ermm those lines dont sound right, maybe from your own experience but were talking about the US market here, where everything is 10tiimes bigger than anywhere, whether it'll be competition and comercial aspect... There is more pressure now to do well for your sponsors if they give you their stuff and if your lucky they pay you a little extra and for your airfare to go racing everywhere you cant say the same thing about the UK market cuz its just simply too small for companies albeit Distributors to fork out! Reason is say Distributors is because most cars that are raced on UK tracks are all or most imported ie AE,Losi,Xray,Yokomo,Hpi and you've only got schumacher as a company who makes cars nowadays in the uk.

Yes as you say "A bit has remained" but a lot has deffinetly changed.

And i dont think some of the greedy companies as you say are hurting simply because Asia are producing better stuff than on the other side of the hemisphere, i would like to think its because they all produce good stuff its just customers have got more choice and good distribution gives them that..

We are not forced to do anything we dont want to its whats called Circumstancial changes. part of the fun of this sport is being competitive and being competitive means expenditure. One can still remain in the sport if they can bear not being as fast or have endurance problem as oppose to the next guy... There are ways!!...But if you simply just ran out of money to fund it all, well it was good while it lasted..
Maybe i should have worded it a little better. i agree with what your saying. What i meant was that 15-20yrs ago we all helped set up the cars for those less experienced and then everyone raced competitively with equal machinery. A lot more friendly atmosphere. Now that the manufacturers have become more commercialised the gap is growing between the pro and amateur racer because no one is willing to help newcomers as much. Even when they do they never give the full story as to what is happening etc. If a pro tells you the exact setup for his car you can be nearly guaranteed that it wont work because he has got some special parts that are *not* available to the average racer. i know this for fact.

Regarding the import area. Yes, Asia etc is becoming more open and easier to extract from. But when companies like AE sell out to Thunder Tiger the hobby is really in a bad shape commercially. But like I said, on a whole worldwide level things are becoming increasingly out of control. 200mm TC was supposed to be a controlled class to keep costs minimal to entice new blood into the hobby. But within the last 5yrs we are now at a point we are spending the same amount of money as we did 10yrs ago on 1:8th on-road. Where is the fun in that for the average racer wanting to be even half competitive.
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Old 04-12-2005, 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by Palmaris Europe
Maybe i should have worded it a little better. i agree with what your saying. What i meant was that 15-20yrs ago we all helped set up the cars for those less experienced and then everyone raced competitively with equal machinery. A lot more friendly atmosphere. Now that the manufacturers have become more commercialised the gap is growing between the pro and amateur racer because no one is willing to help newcomers as much. Even when they do they never give the full story as to what is happening etc. If a pro tells you the exact setup for his car you can be nearly guaranteed that it wont work because he has got some special parts that are *not* available to the average racer. i know this for fact.
Yes on that basis i agree entirely with what you've said.
With the pro setup being copied over to an average racer, yeah your right there are some custom parts in there that joe bloggs cant get hold of off the shelf. Hindesight theres nothing stopping people of having parts specially fabricated for them too and there are many aspects to why some setups wont work on others, simply because theres a large difference on how a professional drives as opposed to an average racer. Pro's more offen than not likes to have a setup where they can drive a car on the edge but joe bloggs needs somethng stable and yup we all know team drivers get them jucier motors and 30+secs cells more than what anyone else has got..

With regards the AE and TT issue, that is something im going to stay out of, it generates more arguement than its supposed to, besides theres a thread on it already..

ps, if spenditure is the same as it was 10 years or wotever it was then isnt that good news?...I would've thought inflation would make it more expensive. Price freeze if you will....You and i know that if we had the same MPG, sorry, cost of a litre at the gas stations like we had 15 years ago, we'll be much happier motorist's??

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