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Old 04-17-2007, 09:38 PM
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I WANTED TO START THIS SO NOT TO CLUTTER UP SHOOKIES THREAD.

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...and if they had, this whole ordeal could have been over much quicker.

THAT IS THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT ABOUT TSR6, AFTER LISTENING TO THE NEWS LAST NIGHT. THE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT STATED THAT UNREGISTERED GUNS WERE NOT ALLOWED ON CAMPUS AND "SEVERAL 100" HAD BEEN CONFISCATED FROM THE STUDENTS , AND I ASSUME THE STAFF, BUT HE NEVER MENTIONED THAT.

I TRULY THINK THAT FEWER LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST HAD STUDENTS AND STAFF BEEN ARMED. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SECURITY PERSONNEL, I MEAN PROFESSORS AND THE STUDENT BODY.

I DON'T MEAN HAVE A FIREARM HANGING FROM EVERY DESK BUT THESE ARE ACADEMIC AND TECHNICAL SCHOLARS ON THEIR WAY TO BECOMING PEOPLE OF INDUSTRY ( NOT THAT WE HAVE MUCH LEFT IN THE U.S. ) AND THE SAME PEOPLE THAT MIGHT ONE DAY TEACH OUR CHILDREN. BUT YET THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH A FIREARM,, OH NO NO !! BUT THEY WILL GRADUATE AND DESIGN AND OR BUILD OUR CARS, PLANES, BOATS, HOUSES, OFFICE BUILDINGS, OUR MILITARY WEAPONRY, NASA ROCKETS AND SPACECRAFT, AND THE LIST CAN CONTNUE ENDLESSLY.

THINGS THAT WE USE AS INDIVIDUALS AND THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE UNITED STATES AND ABROAD. AND WE CAN TRUST THEM WITH THE SAFETY OF OUR OWN LIVES, OUR KIDS LIVES, OUR FAMILIES LIVES, AND A COUNTLESS NUMBER OF OTHERS LIVES. BUT A "FIREARM" IS WAY TOO MUCH FOR THESE "KIDS" TO HANDLE.

FUNNY THING, MY GRANDFATHER WHO SIGNED UP FOR WW2 WHEN HE WAS 16 JUST SO HE COULD MAKE HIMSELF INTO SOMETHING WAS TRUSTED WITH A WEAPON AND NO ONE SAID A WORD ABOUT GUN CONTROL AND HIM BEING TOO MUCH OF A "KID" TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY. AND TO GO TO WAR TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRIES FREEDOM.

NOW JUMP AHEAD TO THE PRESENT. KID'S OR CHILDREN ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO BE SPANKED BECAUSE THAT SHOWS THEM "VIOLENCE" AND THAT IS "ABUSE" TO THAT CHILD. THE "POWERS THAT BE" WOULD RATHER YOU TALK IT OUT WITH THE "CHILD" LIKE AN EPISODE OF DOCTOR PHIL !! EVER TRY TO TALK TO A 9 YEAR OLD ABOUT NOT "KICKING THE H*LL OUT OF HIS DOG" ??? PUTTING THEM IN A "TIME OUT" DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK. I AM NOT SAYING YOU BEAT THEM EVERYTIME YOU GET A CHANCE BUT THE MAIN WORD AND POINT HERE IS "DISCIPLINE".

I WAS RAISED TO RESPECT A GUN AND KNOW IT'S TIME AND PLACE. I WAS ALSO WHIPPED WHEN I SCREWED UP, TAUGHT TO RESPECT OTHERS AND MOST CERTAINLY YOUR ELDERS. I WAS RAISED TO BELIEVE IN GOD, AND TO WALK THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW. I PLAY VIDEO GAMES, WATCH VIOLENT MOVIES, HAVE A VAST GUN COLLECTION, HAVE A GUN PERMIT TO CARRY FOR OVER 7 YEARS, AND HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS.

I DIDN'T ACQUIRE THE ABOVE BY BEING TALKED TO "STRICTLY", OR SENT TO "TIME OUT" . I HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I DONE WRONG AS A CHILD WHILE MY REAREND WAS COOLING OFF AND THE NEXT DAY I COULD STILL SEE THE WELTS FROM THE BELT AND THAT LED ME BACK TO THINKING ABOUT WHAT I DONE WRONG THE PREVIOUS DAY. AFTER A WHILE, I DIDN'T NEED A SPANKING BECAUSE I HAD ENOUGH SENSE TO "STOP SCREWING UP".

THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN TODAY. I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH "SUPER NANNY" SNIPITS TO KNOW THAT PARENTS ARE URGED TO TREAT THEIR CHILD LIKE AN ADULT. BUT THAT IS JUST THE POINT , THEY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE. I DON'T CARE HOW INTELLIGENT LITTLE TOMMY IS, HE STILL DOESN'T KNOW BEST. NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE TELLS YOU THAT HE DOES KNOW.

NOT TRYING TO STRAY FROM THE SUBJECT AT HAND BUT IT ALL COMES BACK TO PARENTING. SOME GROW UP TO BE STELLAR CITIZENS, SOME DON'T. AND I AM AWARE THAT CORRECT PARENTING DOESN'T GUARANTEE YOUR CHILD WON'T BECOME A SERIAL KILLER BUT THIS IS USUALLY AFTER THEY BECOME "ADULTS" IN WHICH CASE, IT'S OUT OF YOUR HANDS. BUT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LOOK BACK AND THINK, "COULD PROPER DISCIPLINE HAVE PREVENTED THIS" INSTEAD OF "THE PRESIDENT, GUN CONTROL, VIDEO GAMES, R MOVIES, THE INTERNET, THE REPUBLICANS, THE DEMOCRATS, THE CHRISTIANS, THE MUSLIMS, THE SCHOOLS, GLOBAL WARMING, AND ANY OTHER SCAPEGOAT I CAN THINK OF THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE ME, DID THIS" !!

REMEMBER, ALL FORMS OF POLICE, SECURITY, AND MILITARY ARE PEOPLE TOO. AND THEY WERE TRAINED TO UPHOLD THE LAW AND CARRY WEAPONS THAT CAN KILL. AND THEY WERE CHILDREN ONCE TOO !! BUT YOU DON'T SEE EVERY COP IN THE COUNTRY SHOOTING PEOPLE EVERYDAY JUST CAUSE "THEY CAN" !!

IF OUR GUN RIGHTS ARE TAKEN AWAY , THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT HARDER FOR CRIMINALS TO GET THEM, THAT JUST MAKES IT HARDER FOR US TO DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST THE CRIMINALS.

ANYONE THAT BELIEVES "MORE" GUN CONTROL WILL KEEP CRIME FROM HAPPENING PROBABLY BELIEVES THAT JOHN EDWARDS CAN TALK TO THE DEAD, ALIENS ARE LISTENING TO OUR EVERY MOVE FROM ANOTHER PLANET, TERRORISTS ARE REALLY "GOOD PEOPLE" , AND CRISS ANGEL CAN LEVITATE, UPROOT TREES WITH HIS BARE HANDS, PUT HIS ARM THROUGH ANOTHER PERSONS CHEST WITHOUT KILLING THEM, AND LIFT VEGAS TAXI CABS ON A WHIM !!!

IF MORE "VALID" CITIZENS ARE ARMED, CRIME RATES WILL DROP. IT'S BEEN PROVEN

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Old 04-17-2007, 10:34 PM
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im with ya 100%

if some crazy maniac walks into my english class n starts shooting up the place i can just pull out a gun n shoot his ass up but if i dont got a gun im dead

and i cant use the gun to shoot the clerk at the local store just because im short 3 bucks.....

its called responsibility and common fuxking sence!
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Originally Posted by ProudSavageOwnr
its called responsibility and common fuxking sence!
It's that sentence that is the core of this and many other issues. God be with those affected by this tragedy.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:00 PM
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more people walking around with guns would just have more incidents like THIS
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:08 PM
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how about THIS
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:10 PM
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did you read about this one
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:16 PM
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my point is that accidents happen with trained professionals so i would not feel any more safe with you sitting in my english class packing for a what if.

i believe we should be allowed to own guns but to carry them around like fanny packs is just crazy.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:21 PM
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did you catch this story
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:42 AM
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The city of Washington DC has the toughest gun control laws in the country, yet the violent crime rate is one of the worst.

How will more gun control laws change that?
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yeah i think its not a gun issue but a societal issue. some people are just plain old fashioned crazy.
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Originally Posted by nitrothugg
yeah i think its not a gun issue but a societal issue. some people are just plain old fashioned crazy.

THAT'S IT EXACTLY. DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE A GUN OR NOT. PLENTY OF PEOPLE HAVE USED WHATEVER THEY CAN TO KILL. CARS, KNIVES, POISON, ETC.

IT'S JUST LIKE PEOPLE THAT BLAME THEIR COMPUTER FOR DOWNLOADING ILLEGAL PORN. "I SWEAR HONEY, THE COMPUTER DONE IT ON IT'S OWN", LOL LOL !!

SURE THING !!

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NITROTHUGG, THE STORIES YOU POSTED LINKS TO ARE INCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN FOR LACK OF COMMON SENSE BY THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SHOT.

THE 2 SECRET SERVICE MEN, HOW DID THE WEAPON GO OFF ? HOW WAS ONE SHOT IN THE LEG AND THE OTHER IN THE FACE ?? WAS THE WEAPON HOLSTERED DURING THE INCIDENT OR DID THEY HAVE IT OUT WAVING IT AROUND ??

THE OFF DUTY COP AND THE FOOTBALL PLAYER , HE IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS A COP, THE FOOTBALL PLAYER WAS PROVED TO BE DRUNK AND DID NOT RESPOND TO ANY COMMANDS GIVEN BY THE COP. AND THE GIRLFRIEND USED THE "CAR" AS A WEAPON AND PROCEEDED TO TRY TO RUN OVER THE COP. DOESN'T REALLY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE COP GOING ON A SHOOTING SPREE OR ANY MISUSE OF A WEAPON. MORE LIKE THE FOOTBALL PLAYER WAS DRUNK AND WASN'T GOING TO LISTEN OR FOLLOW ANY RULES FROM ANYONE.

AND THEN THE RETIRED COP CLEANING HIS GUN. WHO CLEANS THEIR WEAPON WITH A SHELL CHAMBERED ?? I DON'T !! WHEN I CLEAN IT I ALWAYS MAKE SURE THE GUN IS COMPLETLY EMPTY. MIGHT HAVE BEEN A OVERSIGHT ON HIS PART BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS SOMETHING HE DID THAT CERTAIN WAY FOR YEARS AND ON THAT DAY IT LITERALLY BACKFIRED ON HIM !!

A COP IS ALREADY TRAINED TO TREAT EVERYONE LIKE THEY HAVE A GUN WHEN THEY STOP YOU FOR SPEEDING , OR APPROACH YOUR HOUSE OR VEHICLE. THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE A GUN OR NOT. IT JUST CIRCLES RIGHT BACK AROUND TO RESPONSIBILITY AS A CITIZEN AND BEING AN UPSTANDING MEMBER OF SOCIETY.

SOME WANT TO BE IN THE RIGHT. OTHERS WOULD RATHER DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO IN LIFE AND MANY TIMES THAT ENDS UP IN CHAOS AND SOMETIMES DEATH.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS HO CHARACTER AT VT.

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I just heard a report that the lunatic that killed all those kids at VT, was a loner, and had an imaginary girlfriend. I don't think any level of gun control would've stopped him...

Right now Boortz is talking about having all the kids armed, and that if some of them had been packing, they could've ended the situation before 30+ inocent people were killed. I would tend to aggree, but there are many people I feel shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel of a car, much less cary a hand gun. Most of them are under 30...high school to college age, young dumb and full of....energy. No conceled weapons class or certification can determine/predict the mental state when they suddenly decide their invisible girlfriend is cheating on them. These rampages have happened before, and sadly, will likely happen again. No amount of preparation, short of prison system level maximum security(and even that fails on a regular basis), will keep everybody 100% safe at any given moment.
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Originally Posted by nitrothugg
yeah i think its not a gun issue but a societal issue. some people are just plain old fashioned crazy.
You guys are crazy, you are saying fight fire with fire.

No gun control - all 30 people in the class have guns, the nutter in the class still has one and can use it.
Strict Gun control - No one in the class has a gun, even the nutter.

Having strict gun control in 1 state is useless, when people can easily go to most other states and buy 1, then smuggle it into that state.

In Europe the majority of people haven't seen a proper gun (not air rifle, BB gun etc) in real life in the hands of the public. The only people they see with guns are the police. This is because of proper gun control laws, not half assed ones


If it was nuclear weapons and a few countries had them, but a few didn't. Would you rather all the countries that didn't have them, build them, or would you rather everyone just get rid of them?
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This is one of the photos that Cho sent to NBC


Very scary.
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