NEW!!!!!!! Indoor onroad track GORCRACING (Cloverdale)
08-29-2011, 07:13 PM
#76
^random dude.
Anyway, I won't make it out to the the track on Wed.
I'll write up my thoughts in here, the following is strictly my opinion and not meant to be insinuating, hopefully no one takes it the wrong way or anything like that. (especially you, 604racer-or should I say, people who use the 604racer account?
).
My Experience @ GORC
Months ago, it was great news to hear that Korgae closing down his track turned into another track opening. I was one of the few who were there that first weekend to see what it was like. First time out, the track was a slip n slide, no traction, still dirt on the surrounding areas, and every time we went to pickup a car we left dirt footprints all over the carpet. This was also when the transponder system was not setup. I didn't have much fun that day.
A while later I returned, and the track had a bit more traction, but nowhere near enough to have my car run well. The transponder system was still not setup, so I got it up and running, showed Chris the basics and ran the rest of the day.
I think I've only been to the track 3 times, maybe a forth, but the last time I went to GORC, there were a few more people (<5), traction was on its way up and I had fun turning my rubber car into a foam one just to go a bit faster.
What I've written so far is basically how GORC has slowly improved its venue, and how it would be a shame for it to go. Chris definitely IS a good guy, and is trying hard to learn things about running a track amongst general RC knowledge too. It's unfortunate that GORC couldn't have waited until late Sept to open its doors instead of running all summer long. I had suggested to Chris that the summer outdoor running would leave few racers to attend GORC.
One of the things that drew me to 360, was how helpful Korgae and other experienced racers were. I learned an amazing amount of things over that one season about setup, how to take corners, and how to stop overdriving the car
. Perhaps Korgae could run some racing this fall?
Location and Size
As most of you know, I attended 360 almost as many times as Korgae
. So of course hearing about the track moving to Surrey instead of Abbotsford was a definite plus. If the track could be relocated to Burnaby or New West? Even better. Why? Because that 45 minutes one way I save could lead to 1.5hours running my car. That 45 minutes one way I save would mean I get to be home earlier, after getting decent track time before sleeping for work the next day during weekdays. (I was lucky enough to be able to have my working Wednesdays end at 330 during the 360 days, not anymore.)
GORC is advertised as being slightly larger than 360 was. The building space MIGHT be larger, but the track is identical and it seems like Korgaes could host more pit spaces. I would prefer a larger track, but small track is better than no track. I would prefer GORC to have a track about double the size - we could have 10 car mains easily. (Mains at Korgae's were a definite challenge because of the tight track)
Running Dates
The track being open everyday was a good idea. I always wished for Saturday to be open at Korgae's instead of just Wed + Sun. But the rest of the weekdays? I wouldn't be running those nights, not with the drive and the small amount of runtime.
When thinking about the low turnout at GORC, could that be because of how open the track was? Were people going on the different days that each day would have 2-3 drivers instead of having 20 drivers on Sunday? Perhaps, but I don't even know what the turnout numbers are like for M-F.
Back to the running dates, as I mentioned how I would be at RRR on weekends, or taking a weekend off if it rained - It definitely meant I would rarely hit up GORC. My first session at GORC I left work about 530 in Burnaby, and I got there by 7 with the rush hour traffic. By the time I got my pit setup and charging, I only had 2 hours to run before closing. You might think 2 hours is a long time, but realistically unless if you dumped pack after pack into the car without saucing tires/cooling motor/changing setup, you would get about 4 to 5 runs. That was the only time I went to GORC on a weekday.
Commitment
To put it nicely, I don't think 100 racers committing to GORC is realistic. Korgae's season (I think) wouldn't have had 100 different racers. Besides, how much of a discount would a $65 membership give you, anyway? I didn't buy one at Korgaes. All those times I was at Korgaes, a membership wouldn't have broken even until February, from October.
I will be buying a membership to help keep a permanent track going.
Best Wishes
Like I mentioned above, unfortunately I won't make it out on Wednesday.
I do hope that you:
After reading what I wrote above, these were all things that other racers and myself had mentioned to you over the spring and summer season. I never posted as above, but now you wanted all we have to say, and there it is.
Thanks Chris, I hope Wednesday goes well for you.
Anyway, I won't make it out to the the track on Wed.
I'll write up my thoughts in here, the following is strictly my opinion and not meant to be insinuating, hopefully no one takes it the wrong way or anything like that. (especially you, 604racer-or should I say, people who use the 604racer account?
).My Experience @ GORC
Months ago, it was great news to hear that Korgae closing down his track turned into another track opening. I was one of the few who were there that first weekend to see what it was like. First time out, the track was a slip n slide, no traction, still dirt on the surrounding areas, and every time we went to pickup a car we left dirt footprints all over the carpet. This was also when the transponder system was not setup. I didn't have much fun that day.
A while later I returned, and the track had a bit more traction, but nowhere near enough to have my car run well. The transponder system was still not setup, so I got it up and running, showed Chris the basics and ran the rest of the day.
I think I've only been to the track 3 times, maybe a forth, but the last time I went to GORC, there were a few more people (<5), traction was on its way up and I had fun turning my rubber car into a foam one just to go a bit faster.
What I've written so far is basically how GORC has slowly improved its venue, and how it would be a shame for it to go. Chris definitely IS a good guy, and is trying hard to learn things about running a track amongst general RC knowledge too. It's unfortunate that GORC couldn't have waited until late Sept to open its doors instead of running all summer long. I had suggested to Chris that the summer outdoor running would leave few racers to attend GORC.
One of the things that drew me to 360, was how helpful Korgae and other experienced racers were. I learned an amazing amount of things over that one season about setup, how to take corners, and how to stop overdriving the car
. Perhaps Korgae could run some racing this fall?Location and Size
As most of you know, I attended 360 almost as many times as Korgae
. So of course hearing about the track moving to Surrey instead of Abbotsford was a definite plus. If the track could be relocated to Burnaby or New West? Even better. Why? Because that 45 minutes one way I save could lead to 1.5hours running my car. That 45 minutes one way I save would mean I get to be home earlier, after getting decent track time before sleeping for work the next day during weekdays. (I was lucky enough to be able to have my working Wednesdays end at 330 during the 360 days, not anymore.)GORC is advertised as being slightly larger than 360 was. The building space MIGHT be larger, but the track is identical and it seems like Korgaes could host more pit spaces. I would prefer a larger track, but small track is better than no track. I would prefer GORC to have a track about double the size - we could have 10 car mains easily. (Mains at Korgae's were a definite challenge because of the tight track)
Running Dates
The track being open everyday was a good idea. I always wished for Saturday to be open at Korgae's instead of just Wed + Sun. But the rest of the weekdays? I wouldn't be running those nights, not with the drive and the small amount of runtime.
When thinking about the low turnout at GORC, could that be because of how open the track was? Were people going on the different days that each day would have 2-3 drivers instead of having 20 drivers on Sunday? Perhaps, but I don't even know what the turnout numbers are like for M-F.
Back to the running dates, as I mentioned how I would be at RRR on weekends, or taking a weekend off if it rained - It definitely meant I would rarely hit up GORC. My first session at GORC I left work about 530 in Burnaby, and I got there by 7 with the rush hour traffic. By the time I got my pit setup and charging, I only had 2 hours to run before closing. You might think 2 hours is a long time, but realistically unless if you dumped pack after pack into the car without saucing tires/cooling motor/changing setup, you would get about 4 to 5 runs. That was the only time I went to GORC on a weekday.
Commitment
To put it nicely, I don't think 100 racers committing to GORC is realistic. Korgae's season (I think) wouldn't have had 100 different racers. Besides, how much of a discount would a $65 membership give you, anyway? I didn't buy one at Korgaes. All those times I was at Korgaes, a membership wouldn't have broken even until February, from October.
I will be buying a membership to help keep a permanent track going.
Best Wishes
Like I mentioned above, unfortunately I won't make it out on Wednesday.
I do hope that you:
- keep the track open
- reopen the track in 2 months
- relocate and either of the above
- get the feedback you're looking for
- get the #of racers attending soon
After reading what I wrote above, these were all things that other racers and myself had mentioned to you over the spring and summer season. I never posted as above, but now you wanted all we have to say, and there it is.
Thanks Chris, I hope Wednesday goes well for you.
Last edited by R3VoLuTiOn; 09-01-2011 at 11:53 AM.
08-29-2011, 08:03 PM
#77
Sorry to here the news Chris, I hope things work out for you what ever the outcome maybe.
08-30-2011, 09:42 AM
#78
Hi Chris,
You are so close to the start of the on road season, I would really suggest trying to keep it open at least for the rest of the calender year. I am sure you will get the turnout you need/want.
We had 126 different people through the door at 360, our best months were Oct/ Nov/Dec/Feb these months balanced out the season and low points. There were lots of guys that will come out of the woodwork to race in the winter. It is a shame you are on the fence as you just climbed the biggest mountain in your life ( hosting a carpet track in the summer)
As for the track itself, yes it is smaller compared to OGR but accross Canada it is right inline with the norm, infact 4 clubs I know of race on a smaller area. A tight track produces better drivers. I was so proud of the results 360 members had at other races throughout Canada last season. Like John said any track is better then no track.
I know I have not been out all summer but as I told you I am extremely busy in the off season but come Sept I will be out in full force to practice/race for the carpet season.. and so will so many other racers..
Again your so close, don't close it now.
If I can not make the Wed Meeting, I will buy a membership.. anything to help the track keep going.
To all the racers in the GVRD that supported 360 come out and show Chris the same awesome support... we need a perm track in the GVRD it helps everyone in the ecom.
Korgae.
You are so close to the start of the on road season, I would really suggest trying to keep it open at least for the rest of the calender year. I am sure you will get the turnout you need/want.
We had 126 different people through the door at 360, our best months were Oct/ Nov/Dec/Feb these months balanced out the season and low points. There were lots of guys that will come out of the woodwork to race in the winter. It is a shame you are on the fence as you just climbed the biggest mountain in your life ( hosting a carpet track in the summer)
As for the track itself, yes it is smaller compared to OGR but accross Canada it is right inline with the norm, infact 4 clubs I know of race on a smaller area. A tight track produces better drivers. I was so proud of the results 360 members had at other races throughout Canada last season. Like John said any track is better then no track.
I know I have not been out all summer but as I told you I am extremely busy in the off season but come Sept I will be out in full force to practice/race for the carpet season.. and so will so many other racers..
Again your so close, don't close it now.
If I can not make the Wed Meeting, I will buy a membership.. anything to help the track keep going.
To all the racers in the GVRD that supported 360 come out and show Chris the same awesome support... we need a perm track in the GVRD it helps everyone in the ecom.
Korgae.
08-30-2011, 11:10 PM
#79
Tech Apprentice
I will be there tomorrow!
Keith Yu
Keith Yu
08-31-2011, 10:06 AM
#80
Closing?
I have not had the chance to check out the track at GORC yet as we only have a few weeks of summer in Vanciuver. I do know that this year I was planning on doing alot of practive and raceing at GORC. Lets keep the store open for ONE winter so you can see what the turn outs will be like. Good luck!
08-31-2011, 08:02 PM
#81
Closing down
I am here to write my own opinion as a user. Since I have onroad and offroad cars. So 604racer or who own this account don't take it so serious.
I am just out to you track twice only. I won't go anymore since the track is little small and only good for 12 scales. And not for 1/10 touring. So during the winter time, I went to offroad more at least once per week. I am not sure have you been visit offroad indoor track (nice and big I knew they are closed down already)? There are a lot of ppls every week. And summer time is always hurt for indoor track.
Specially for this summer time, nice and sunny. And it is NITRO seaon (I have nitro car too) There are a lot of racer liked to race nitro on summer time. Please come on Sunday in Richmond BCIT, you will find a lot of racers racing nitro than electric.
If your new track moves to city center closer (New Westminister)and the track is slightly bigger. I believed that it will have a lot of drivers like to go especially in winter season. And you must know one important things. Most of the on road drivers are lived in town. For the old track, it is a long way traffic for us and the price of gas is high.
If your track is closer and bigger. You will find your business will going up. And the second good things are most of the onroad hobby shops had their own group of customers. If you are closer to the town, those hobby shops can group their customers after working hours to go your new place.
For my advice, I perfer you closed this small track and find a bigger one and closer to town.
IF you have time on Sat (they are opened in winter time), you can go to richmond church and there is a on road carpet race. Or if your track is good enough, you can rent it to this club too(another opitions).
Good luck in your future.
I am just out to you track twice only. I won't go anymore since the track is little small and only good for 12 scales. And not for 1/10 touring. So during the winter time, I went to offroad more at least once per week. I am not sure have you been visit offroad indoor track (nice and big I knew they are closed down already)? There are a lot of ppls every week. And summer time is always hurt for indoor track.
Specially for this summer time, nice and sunny. And it is NITRO seaon (I have nitro car too) There are a lot of racer liked to race nitro on summer time. Please come on Sunday in Richmond BCIT, you will find a lot of racers racing nitro than electric.
If your new track moves to city center closer (New Westminister)and the track is slightly bigger. I believed that it will have a lot of drivers like to go especially in winter season. And you must know one important things. Most of the on road drivers are lived in town. For the old track, it is a long way traffic for us and the price of gas is high.
If your track is closer and bigger. You will find your business will going up. And the second good things are most of the onroad hobby shops had their own group of customers. If you are closer to the town, those hobby shops can group their customers after working hours to go your new place.
For my advice, I perfer you closed this small track and find a bigger one and closer to town.
IF you have time on Sat (they are opened in winter time), you can go to richmond church and there is a on road carpet race. Or if your track is good enough, you can rent it to this club too(another opitions).
Good luck in your future.
08-31-2011, 11:51 PM
#82
Hey Guys,
Great turnout for the meeting tonight,
I really appreciated everyone coming out to support GORCRacing.
34 guys came out to show their support and 22 purchased the 3 month membership.
I have another list of about 15 people who are going to purchase memberships as well.
This is the first stepping stone to keeping us open for our Winter season.
We are realistically looking for 55-60 memberships to keep us up and running.
This goal is easily attainable, however we do need the commitment from another 30 members.
Sept 15th is the deadline for us to reach this goal; if the goal is not met by that time, the people who
purchased memberships, will be reimbursed. Unfortunately this is the only way I can see GORC making it
through the winter season; I would just really like to see the commitment from the RC community.
I hope you can all understand where I am coming from.
Our hours of operation from now until Sept 15th are as follows:
Wednesday 4-10
Friday 4-10
Saturday 12-9
As discussed in the meeting, we are always willing to stay later and accommodate everyone's needs, all you have to do is ask.
Thanks again for all your support,
hope to see you all out.
-Chris and Missy
Great turnout for the meeting tonight,
I really appreciated everyone coming out to support GORCRacing.
34 guys came out to show their support and 22 purchased the 3 month membership.
I have another list of about 15 people who are going to purchase memberships as well.
This is the first stepping stone to keeping us open for our Winter season.
We are realistically looking for 55-60 memberships to keep us up and running.
This goal is easily attainable, however we do need the commitment from another 30 members.
Sept 15th is the deadline for us to reach this goal; if the goal is not met by that time, the people who
purchased memberships, will be reimbursed. Unfortunately this is the only way I can see GORC making it
through the winter season; I would just really like to see the commitment from the RC community.
I hope you can all understand where I am coming from.
Our hours of operation from now until Sept 15th are as follows:
Wednesday 4-10
Friday 4-10
Saturday 12-9
As discussed in the meeting, we are always willing to stay later and accommodate everyone's needs, all you have to do is ask.
Thanks again for all your support,
hope to see you all out.
-Chris and Missy
09-01-2011, 12:43 AM
#83
Great news for you.
But if you can make your track bigger. You will see the result.
But if you can make your track bigger. You will see the result.
Hey Guys,
Great turnout for the meeting tonight,
I really appreciated everyone coming out to support GORCRacing.
34 guys came out to show their support and 22 purchased the 3 month membership.
I have another list of about 15 people who are going to purchase memberships as well.
This is the first stepping stone to keeping us open for our Winter season.
We are realistically looking for 55-60 memberships to keep us up and running.
This goal is easily attainable, however we do need the commitment from another 30 members.
Sept 15th is the deadline for us to reach this goal; if the goal is not met by that time, the people who
purchased memberships, will be reimbursed. Unfortunately this is the only way I can see GORC making it
through the winter season; I would just really like to see the commitment from the RC community.
I hope you can all understand where I am coming from.
Our hours of operation from now until Sept 15th are as follows:
Wednesday 4-10
Friday 4-10
Saturday 12-9
As discussed in the meeting, we are always willing to stay later and accommodate everyone's needs, all you have to do is ask.
Thanks again for all your support,
hope to see you all out.
-Chris and Missy
Great turnout for the meeting tonight,
I really appreciated everyone coming out to support GORCRacing.
34 guys came out to show their support and 22 purchased the 3 month membership.
I have another list of about 15 people who are going to purchase memberships as well.
This is the first stepping stone to keeping us open for our Winter season.
We are realistically looking for 55-60 memberships to keep us up and running.
This goal is easily attainable, however we do need the commitment from another 30 members.
Sept 15th is the deadline for us to reach this goal; if the goal is not met by that time, the people who
purchased memberships, will be reimbursed. Unfortunately this is the only way I can see GORC making it
through the winter season; I would just really like to see the commitment from the RC community.
I hope you can all understand where I am coming from.
Our hours of operation from now until Sept 15th are as follows:
Wednesday 4-10
Friday 4-10
Saturday 12-9
As discussed in the meeting, we are always willing to stay later and accommodate everyone's needs, all you have to do is ask.
Thanks again for all your support,
hope to see you all out.
-Chris and Missy
09-01-2011, 05:14 PM
#85
Thanks John
We added you to our list, hope to see you out soon.
-Chris
We added you to our list, hope to see you out soon.
-Chris
09-02-2011, 09:53 AM
#86
I think the meeting went really well. The amount of people that showed up ( without their cars) showed me you have lots of racers in the lower mainland that are eager to support you through the winter season.
Lots of good input, CARCAR188 I did not see you @ the meeting but it was discussed about making the track bigger. Chris expressed the willingness in expanding into the next door building to make the track bigger, but he wants to see people show support for the current track before investing in the redo. I understand this and agree 100%. It was brought up that we could as a group fundraise for such a project. The point is this is the only game in town and I think we should follow Chris's lead and enjoy it and work with him on improving the building and track..
It's a work in progress and it sure beats having no track..
One thing I forgot to mention about the memberships was to make them availalbe to buy @ the local shops.. R/T, Indy and GH were in attendance would it be possible to have racers buy a membership @ their local shops? it seems more convientent for the racers.
Looking forward to all the fun @ GORC this winter.
Lots of good input, CARCAR188 I did not see you @ the meeting but it was discussed about making the track bigger. Chris expressed the willingness in expanding into the next door building to make the track bigger, but he wants to see people show support for the current track before investing in the redo. I understand this and agree 100%. It was brought up that we could as a group fundraise for such a project. The point is this is the only game in town and I think we should follow Chris's lead and enjoy it and work with him on improving the building and track..
It's a work in progress and it sure beats having no track..
One thing I forgot to mention about the memberships was to make them availalbe to buy @ the local shops.. R/T, Indy and GH were in attendance would it be possible to have racers buy a membership @ their local shops? it seems more convientent for the racers.
Looking forward to all the fun @ GORC this winter.
09-02-2011, 02:16 PM
#87
Great meeting Chris and it looks like there are lots of people looking to support the track. Let's hope it's enough though.
On the thought about expanding the track, while it would be a nice improvement, there is a huge cost involved. I understand where Chris is coming from where he doesn't want to invest any more money into something people don't want to support. Why build a huge track and spend all kinds of money if people don't show up or buy memberships to support it? We have to start somewhere and as Korgae stated, a small track is better than no track at all. Let's all work together and show some support. Perhaps, with enough memberships and interest, Chris will find it worthwhile to expand and make this a great indoor track.
Chris, I know that I speak for most when I say that we appreciate what you have done so far. We know that you have worked hard and spent a lot money to give us a track. If the track closes down due to lack of support, don't blame yourself as you have done more than enough. It's time for the racers (including myself) to do what we can to ensure that the track remains open.
On the thought about expanding the track, while it would be a nice improvement, there is a huge cost involved. I understand where Chris is coming from where he doesn't want to invest any more money into something people don't want to support. Why build a huge track and spend all kinds of money if people don't show up or buy memberships to support it? We have to start somewhere and as Korgae stated, a small track is better than no track at all. Let's all work together and show some support. Perhaps, with enough memberships and interest, Chris will find it worthwhile to expand and make this a great indoor track.
Chris, I know that I speak for most when I say that we appreciate what you have done so far. We know that you have worked hard and spent a lot money to give us a track. If the track closes down due to lack of support, don't blame yourself as you have done more than enough. It's time for the racers (including myself) to do what we can to ensure that the track remains open.
09-02-2011, 10:22 PM
#88
Tech Initiate
I live in richmond and it takes me not even 30mins to get there, traction has been building up since I have been going there about 2 months ago. I'm not really a big fan of racing I just like having fun. Having a track like this you don't need to set up, so more time to play. I will be supporting this place for sure.
09-04-2011, 01:23 AM
#89
Tech Rookie
Found Chris's track last week, was looking for a track in the Abbotsford area but Cloverdale is close enough! raced 1/8 scale gas offroad in the early 90's @ Quintrax Speedway in Belleville Ontario Looking forward to trying the "electric thing" wow this stuff has really changed since the last time I drove around a track. Chris was helpful and I bought a membership to show my support, I hope we can have a good fall/winter season on the carpet. Spent some money(on fuel) today driving to the local hobbie shops, but looks to me like they (understandably so) look after the rtr and toy markets , so I came home saved gas and did some serious internet shopping. looking forward to getting everything together and hitting the track. Anyone in the Abbotsford area that would like a ride to the track for Wednesday practice and/or race day's feel free to ask.
09-05-2011, 06:41 PM
#90
Hey Guys
We had a great turn out this long weekend thank you for
all your support great to see a couple new guys out too
Hope everyone had a safe weekend
We had a great turn out this long weekend thank you for
all your support great to see a couple new guys out too
Hope everyone had a safe weekend
