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Old 05-28-2003, 09:43 AM
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Talking sure sounds good Ren

Glad to hear that at least someone else still has an interest in onroad .....and about the classes sure I have no problem moving to a higher class but in the practise I have done in my own time I was struggling to actually make one lap without getting stuck on a board or not hopping over one..so looks and sounds like I may be the slow one of the class.....yet I was a little weak on traction and I am betting that now that I have some new tires that might help me some
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Old 05-28-2003, 09:51 AM
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New tires make a MASSIVE difference on the dirt ! Also, I bet you were practising on the track without it being dampened down. That makes a big difference too. I doubt you'll have a problem once you start racing.
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Old 05-28-2003, 09:54 AM
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Talking ya lets hope

plus it just not in me to be last all the time hehehehe must not be beat
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Old 05-28-2003, 06:30 PM
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Hey guys

I know that you're talking about moving some novices up and possibly forming a sportsman class similar to the Touring Sportsman during onroad. I think that we should just have Truck stock and that everyone should race together (fresh out of novice or not). We have always said that the more vehicles we have on the track, the better it looks to the public. So instead of making a small class smaller, lets finally give it a chance to grow. There was no such thing as Sportsman when i moved up out of novice. I finished in the bottom three every time out for that whole year. Plus having less experienced drivers racing with the faster guys may prove to help them improve even faster. It gives them a goal to reach and a few more trucks to race. As it stands, we will simply make another class and achieve nothing but a longer day. The novices wouldn't gain anything except an "expert novice" type of class. We ran the different levels of drivers against one another in the pancar series, why not here? How many times would RJ lap everyone, we didn't make him race on his own.

Doug is also keeing track of points and I don't believe he would want another class to keep track of if it is not needed. Don't get me wrong, if we had enough drivers and such a different level, maybe we could form a split, but as there are only about 20 active members, we should keep the classes big and together. I knoe that I enjoy racing more than 2 or 3 other cars, I bet most of us do. And its not like there won't be anyone for them to race, there are three of them moving up, so there competition is still there, they just have alittle more ahead of them and some more vehicles to race.

I personally will stress to April to race in stock, rather than form a Sportsman truck class. I believe its time for her to grow a little and race with some of the "big boys" of the Trcuk class.
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Old 05-28-2003, 06:55 PM
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Doug did talk to me last week about Carver going back to novice as his 7 laps were a good two laps behind what I was running with my stock. I don't think Carver had as much fun bringing up the rear and not being a front runner.

I know since I moved to sportsman touring the racing was more enjoyable not worrying about getting out of someones way and not running two or three laps down from the pace. This gave me more time to work on my driving and I have gotten faster.

It is more fun to race with someone (same lap door to door) and not worry about causing other people to be choked with you when they are competing at a higher level
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Old 05-28-2003, 08:49 PM
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Ola, I've changed the name of this thread to reflect the actual users in this thread. Hope its alright to you guys.
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Old 05-28-2003, 08:50 PM
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If we were to combine the classes i would see no problem in it because the less exsperienced drivers would still race but the more exsperienced drivers would be in there and it might also help the novices to maby push themselved harder and it would also make a funner class well it doesn't hurt to at least try it for one qualifier anyways
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Old 05-28-2003, 10:25 PM
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Talking hey guy's

Didn't mean to cause a big hoop-la bout this...but I am mixed in all this...cause in the indoor season I said I have no problem moving up to say sportsman...but only cause there was very few cars to run in novice and the same for sportsman.....so why not combine...I am totaly all for this..........but on the other hand I have never raced outdoor and I just not sure I would even be able to compete with the sportsman class ( not saying that I won't move up cause I also don't want to race when there only 2-5 cars in a class....that is quite boring) but I think if you are going to make a sportsman class that there be no novice class...but I do believe that it really no fun racing in a class (such as me racing in stock) ....I know I would be like 5 laps down and I would be spending all my time trying to stay out of RJ's and the rest of you big dogs' way and I would not become a better driver...I t would take me a long to be a better driver this way....so to sum up I say Truck stock,sportsman, and like ren said maybe a masters or experianced truck class if enough people to run.....or...... Novice truck,Stock truck, and posiibly masters class....and bring the guy's who figure they are in between novice and stock to stay in novice unless they are running times that would put them in stock then bump them up.....
but we deffinetly need to discuss stuff like this at the race...so that we can decide....(I know I the one bitchin yet I haven't showed up yet) Anyway guys and Gal that is kinda how I feel bout the matter and either way I don't think anyone is going to stop racing just cause they not in a class that they can dominate...they just won't be as happy
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Old 05-28-2003, 11:01 PM
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Talking oh ya

and greg tell carver to come on back and teach me a few things ...

and Gary way to go I was kinda thinking this has been a thread dedicated to pretty much the Kamloops crew
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Old 05-29-2003, 08:04 AM
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My suggestion was to either have a Sportsman class OR to split the Stock class by an "ability" factor. The scoring program can do this easily. This would mean having two Truck Stock heats (when we have enough drivers), but sorting the more experienced drivers into "heat one", and the less experienced drivers into "heat two". This would mean that all drivers would be placed in the main based on their qualifying times, but they would be running against drivers of similar experience and speed in the qualifiers. This is exactly how the "re-sorts" work at big races. Thus Doug would still have only one class to score, but racers might feel less intimidated during qualifying.

I'm glad to say this is not my decision these days !

Gary...thanks. It does make the content of the thread clearer to other readers.
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Talking actually that sounds allright

stilll run into a few things like having to move out of your guys' way but hey how else is other people going to win if you don't have trafffic to screw you around....plus whatever makes it easier for scoring or whatever....I was sort of thinking of a Aor B type class but that will only work if there is actually enough drivers
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Old 05-29-2003, 09:15 AM
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Yes, you might have to scramble a bit in the main, but not in qualifying. And it has the advantage that as your times improve, so you'll find yourself moving up on the grid for the Main. The only problem will be getting enough trucks out each race to make it worthwhile splitting the class - but if there's only a few trucks, it shouldn't matter. With a lap time around the 30 sec mark, no-one's going to be having to get out of anyone's way very often.
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Old 05-29-2003, 10:41 AM
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You guys are giving me a headache! LOL

I think I would have to agree with Ren's suggestion on running a sportsman class or splitting the class up according to ability. But first, we have one thing to do..........GET YOU RACERS OUT RACING! Tell one, tell all and lets get some people back outdoors racing! Off-Road is ALIVE again in the "Loops". It's time to PLAY IN THE DIRT! Sorry....... just tryin to rev you guys up a little and get some more people out.

See you at the Track.
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Old 05-29-2003, 10:44 AM
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Hey Blainmiester.....LOOK.....I am finally a TQ Challenger.....100 posts. Yeeeehaaaa! But I will never be able to catch up to you?

I hope everyone received their newsletter.....I think Chris is the only one having trouble getting his?
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Old 05-30-2003, 09:45 AM
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Gary thanks for the name change, it gives Kamloops a home amongst the othe clubs and threads.

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I still believe to just have novice and stock. We all had are days at the back and of scrambling out of the way. I believe if we simply split the qualifying heats, we'll see a huge difference in times from one to the other, and also to the main. Racing four trucks is very different from racing 7 or 8. I think that everyone will gain by having a larger heat of the same class, but not to differenciate by skill. Run it similar to the pancar series, having the odd "big dog" in the other heat gave everyone a chance to see and race with a leader car. Both drivers can learn from this, the "big dog" can work on their passing, while the slower guys can "follow the leader" to learn the ways to go fast and to pass. Ask Ken about following the fast guy through traffic in Kelowna...LOL I wondered how he got into third ROFL !!

So I still think that there should only be the one class, with differenciating by skill. Not only will it possibly add another heat, but you may potentially hurt someones feellings by saying thy're too slow to race with the big dogs. Heat selection should be totally random and first come first serve is how the computer automatically sets up the heats. That gives everyone an equal chance to race in either of the possible two heats (if there are too many for one).

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Just putting everyone into a Sportsman type class will make a new novice class with a different name.

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As for Carver, I believe he did just fine in stock and I'm sure he'll improve s the season continues. We were all a few laps back at one point, and some of us still are. He's a little too experienced to race in novice or in a Sportsman class and I believe that he can do better if "encouraged"!
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