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Old 06-30-2009, 10:16 AM
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That is the plan.
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I have never run slicks. what is the drawback? It just seems to me like tires would last forever!
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I have never run slicks. what is the drawback? It just seems to me like tires would last forever!
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First off you need to make them. They take a while to make and require a hard foam. Then you soak them in some pretty bad chemicals to give them super traction which eats the foams, which meand the tires go soft and stop working well so you need to refoam them or make a new set. Also carcus design makes a difference in slicks so you need to choose which tire you want to grind all the knobs off and which compounds will work best.

Life is much simpler with off the self tires.

I will agree racing on slicks can be fun as traciton can be insane but traction rolling becomes a problem as well and you start working on some extreme setups that really don't work anywhere else so you have to setup your car just for this condtion that really won't work well anywhere else.

If it goes this way I will still race there but I fell this is a bad idea. I am sure it is not the only reason MnM closed there doors but attendance fell off pretty quick from what I saw when slicks became the hot ticket.
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slicks in offroad??

i've only seen onroad cars use slicks
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I am betting that now with the new tires and compunds that are coming out we will not have to resort to slicks.

Back then, from what I understand it was just pin tires. Nowadays we have BK Bars, Suburbs, Barcodes. We are also getting different compounds lately so I would bet that the time effort and hassle slicks take will not be necessary.
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First off you need to make them. They take a while to make and require a hard foam. Then you soak them in some pretty bad chemicals to give them super traction which eats the foams, which meand the tires go soft and stop working well so you need to refoam them or make a new set. Also carcus design makes a difference in slicks so you need to choose which tire you want to grind all the knobs off and which compounds will work best.





Life is much simpler with off the self tires.




I will agree racing on slicks can be fun as traciton can be insane but traction rolling becomes a problem as well and you start working on some extreme setups that really don't work anywhere else so you have to setup your car just for this condtion that really won't work well anywhere else.



If it goes this way I will still race there but I fell this is a bad idea. I am sure it is not the only reason MnM closed there doors but attendance fell off pretty quick from what I saw when slicks became the hot ticket.



Yah you need to run a verry hard foam trinity bomb one blue anytime your are on a high bite track you need stiffer foam so no big deal. Soaking them in chemicals we never did that hust tire saus like you do at most tracks depending on what you like. And yes some will make the foam brakedown faster then other.Tire carcus comes in to play all the time as that is what gives one tire a different feal from a nother as well as tred style.Taking them to slicks a belt sander works best!! you can do a set in about 5 min. this way.Compounds are like any track you have ot try to see what works best and you like or ask around to get ideas!







Yes but if you want to go fast it is not always that easy





For MnM closing yes you are wright is was when eletric was starting to be on the downturn for turn out and when the rent was going to go up over "dubble" that is the mane reason Joe closed it down!



The set up's i ran on slicks is what i ran about everyware and worked grate a lot of it is driving style you have to be real smooth because of the traction.

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I am betting that now with the new tires and compunds that are coming out we will not have to resort to slicks.

Maby but we did have these back then to test and they never were as fast


Back then, from what I understand it was just pin tires. Nowadays we have BK Bars, Suburbs, Barcodes. We are also getting different compounds lately so I would bet that the time effort and hassle slicks take will not be necessary.
Not all true as we had tapper pins abd bk bars Tappers were made For MnM as well red conpound for when it was dryer even the taper or bk bar was 2-3 sec. slower a lap then slicks they are just that much faster you have to rember the clay is STICKY no need for a pin to dig in the more rubber you can get on the track the faster it is we even ran slicks a few times on a dry track and as long as you could stay out of the very little dust there was they were much faster.

I know what you are trying to say but if it is as sticky as when i was there playing arount with it last week it sill be slicks untel it dry's out a little.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:32 PM
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I would not call Disel fuel "normal" sauce. I agree other sauces work as well but most really good sauces will attack the foam and with the need for a firm foam in slicks, almost any degredation of the foam is not good for performance.

No need to have this argument now. Lets run on the track first and then see what works. It was just a suggestion to have a no slicks rule. It will be up to Danny. Also I have enough junk I carry around. Last thing I need is a belt sander mounted upside down to bring to make up some tires!

Also I thought pink was the compound developed for MNM. It has changed formula since it first came out but pinks were the hot ticket on indoor clay tracks after they came out. Reds will work when it is really dry but not normally a compound we run indoor anymore.
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Well... How about this. We have JConcepts, Proline, Losi, etc. come on down to the track and design a tire and compound just for our clay. Since West Coast will be a premiere track for years to come they would make a ton selling tires for our track..

LOL.

In all seriousness. Like I said before. We will probably just have to wait and see what happens, how the dirt responds to water and being run on, etc.

We'll see!
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Agreed.
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How long will a set of slicks last? If they last long, then I'd love not having to glue sets up all the time.

Perhaps a sander in the shop, and they could charge a nominal fee to do the tires for you?
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:40 PM
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Hows it going Erik. Are you going to race the shootout this year?
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:02 PM
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Hey guys, progress is going really well. We've got all the clay in and the drivers stand is finished. We're still about a week and a half away from opening.

Tires: As far as I know, Brian "BK Bar" Kinwald created BK bars for clay and blue groove racing. I really don't think that slicks will be the tire to run especially with Pro Line's new Clay compound Suburb tire along with many other companies that have made a similar tire. If someone wants to run a "slicks" tire than let them. I will not have any buggy grip or diesel in our building due to the fumes they create and discomfort.

As far as performance, slicks where the ticket at MnM due to the fact that the track was built around them. We will have a wider perspective on layouts and not have a local or two control what is best for all. That is managementís decision and if we choose to run our track dry one layout and wet the next then we will.

Selling tires, slicks do last a long time. But the performance doesnít hold up nor does the foam or rims and you spend just as much money but less time on the track. People have to understand that if your foam has broken down or your wheel is bent that takes lots of traction away and doesn't allow you to set up your car properly.

Trust me when I say this, a BK Bar, Suburb, or Barcodes will last just as long as a slick if not longer. Then the foam will start wearing out and your wheels will be bent.

Let's see what happens guys and new pics will be up soon.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:07 PM
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Can't wait to burn some laps at the new track Danny.
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