Hmmm, with VORTEC rules in place we have no such issues down here.

Remember this, while the LOLA's have a greater downforce they will tend to run a slight bit slower along the straightaway, while still being able to run slightly quicker into corners, but will lose in the corners that sweep around where most people find a slight slide will help, they grip and have to scrub speed off a bit more to get around.

1/10th TOURING CARS!!!!!

hmmmm... another thread with people "discussing" the fact they don't go fast enough and need all these "ilegal" items on or in their cars to do so...

surely racing is about racing what you have and what the rules say is legal?... I am sure teams out there in V8Supercar racing would love to have cars that weigh 1000kg with 500 cubic inch motors in them... but that isn't the rules so they just get on with racing and doing the best job possible... and if they don't like it they can always go to sports sedans

if you want to go faster... buy a circuit car or 1/8... they make nitro tourers look positively slow... and they'll probably attract more "stable" interest than an outlaw tourer class (IMO)

whats the point of having a class that basically has no rules?:confused: ... an outlaw nitro sounds like a money class to Me... whoever can spend the most (and can at least drive a bit) wins and whoever can't afford it goes back to "normal" nitro and pretty soon you only have the same 4 or 5 people turning up at the club meets to race them... trust Me, it gets pretty boring that way... its what killed 1/10 Circuit car racing at My home club... the racing was brillant because all of us were about the same speed... but it was the same 4 people EVERY week and it just got boring:weird:

And BTW... the advertised specs for Novarossi's new 5 port motors are excatly the same as the new 3 port except for the max revs... and there is stuff all difference there... so basically both motors should go just as fast as each other, they just need different gearing... and I beleive the 3 port is cheaper

all rc racing, but espically 1/10 needs to pull its collective socks up... EVERY club has some difference in its rules regard what is legal in each class... people need to stop concentrating on what goes the fastest and work on what will attract people to our sport and KEEP them here...

another 2 bucks in the tin
:sneaky:

Instead of makeing cars faster they should be more durable!

I can't believe there is no pipe guard available for any car !!!
Its just ridiculous having a $150 + pipe hanging out there, hidding behinde a 1mm thick lexen body, just waiting to get hammered.

If we looked a little more towards durabilty maybe more of those people that venture to a club after Christmas would hang around a little longer :nod:

well at the end of the day, it all depends on the rules and regulations of what the club or race is using...

each club or race meet will always have different rulings one event from another... so we can all sit here and say LOLA bodies should be illegal... but to some organisation, they only race LOLA bodies... the best bet would probably have a class for LOLA bodies alone if people reckon it has a very significant advantage during race days...

this should go the same with engine revs / HP and whether its pull start and non pull start... you dont obviously see F-1 cars going against HSV and Ford do you?

you can make these rules more refined, but then they get more complicated... so that is why most organisations and clubs have very broad rulings on what can be run and what can't... in international and national events, it is obviously more stricter, but that is why they have proper scruteniring council...

pipe guard = tying a pillow around your RC...

:nod:

BTW... the advertised specs for Novarossi's new 5 port motors are excatly the same as the new 3 port except for the max revs... and there is stuff all difference there... so basically both motors should go just as fast as each other, they just need different gearing... and I beleive the 3 port is cheaper

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You will surprise how much different between 5 port and 3 port, even though NovaRossi quote only RPM is higher but on the track the 5 port get a lot more down low torq and pick up speed quicker.

If you say it cost more to buy the 5 port I agree but if you buy new JP S3 it cost about $550 then the agrument will need to stop because ppl still buying the best they can to race, ie the rule dictate what we gonna buy.

FINALLY someone who speaks some sense :nod:
I have said the same things many times over
EVERY sport have rules and limitations to those rules.but Rc Racers ( me included) look at whats the latest wizz bang gismo on the market and want it
Trouble is there too many clubs with to many different rules
we have governing bodies who set rules
clubs become affilated to them but then dont use the governing bodies rules and make there own up to suit themselves or maybe dare i say it...the LHS latest go faster product

you gotta draw the line somewhere though !
how much is a 5-port JP :weird: :weird: :weird: :weird:

all you need is classes to cater for everyone

-pull start
-sedan .12 legal
-outlaw any .12 any body

thats all the rules needed :batman:

if i'm not wrong Barry sell the JP-S3 for around 500- 550.

What amazes me is its always us nitro guys who want changes look at electric they have 3300 cells, brushless motors, etc for sale now but their rules hardly ever change if you want to play with rules try changing the race heat times make it 10 minute heats with compulsery pit stops for both electric and nitro,run electric and nitro togeather and get rid of this us/them syndrome on most "normal" sized tracks there very little differance in lap times already why not combine them?
235mm is dying here why not try something different put them back to too 4wd and touring bodies make them the next step up from 10th tourers like the class was meant to be in the first place
anyway ill get back down of my soap box now..:lol:

//me steals david's soapbox... :lol:

Some of Us electric people think its time some of the rules changed to take advantage of some technical advances that have been happening in the past few years... though to use an anology mentioned elsewhere, you wouldn't see an F1 running against a V8Supercar so why should brushless motors etc be running against the typical equipment available currently.

On My home track our 540 tourer class is actually running FASTER than our nitro tourers (We don't allow Rossis etc... only the cheaper motors like Force and Thunder Tiger's but they do have 2 speeds and sports car bodies)... in a 5 minute race at least 4 of our top 540 drivers would lap our top nitro runners... I can hear people already saying "Why not let the Rossi's etc race?"... simply because they are finacially beyond the reach of the majority of our members as well as the fact that most of our newer nitro competitors buy RTR versions of cars that usually come with the cheaper spectrum of motors... so it makes sense for our club to run those rules

A lot of the top end and high performance gear is simply to expensive compared to the actual gain in performance for most people to afford

Thats fine if you've got 100 people turning up to race and in bigger cities and clubs I can see that... but as has been pointed out if you want to go quicker than legal 1/10, there is 235mm or 1/8... and I am not 100% sure how much My last RB .15 cost but I know it was a hell of a lot less than than 500+ for a 5 port .12 and I'd be willing to wager it would last a fair bit longer than a highly stressed .12... a good 1/10 tourer chassis capable of using the power of a high horsepower .12 costs about the same as a good 235mm chassis... I've also noted that several 235mm manufacturers were offering 4wd versions of their cars in the U.S. for quite a while

I fail to see the point of creating an expensive, illeagal class to go faster when other perfect legal classes exist :confused:

there's nothing i hate more than racing with my wallett. it shit's me every time i have to upgrade a car or engine just becouse a new one came out and parts for the old one are not available.

screw jp! $550 for a engine is stupid. i remember when you could get a top of the line race engine for 320$,....those were the days:o

also you can't have 50 trillion classes becouse the hobby size in sydney is niche. small man! there aren't enough people.

keep the classes as they. there aren't alot of new racers atmoorebank becouse there isn't a well oiled connection between kelletts and moorebank. that shop should be curning out new hobbyist like there's no tommorrow. maybe a promtion with kelletts. ie; every new car purchase recieves a 50% of membership fee at moorebank and a free race day entry.

how about offering all penrith racers membership discounts in return for giving penrith a sizable discount on a transponder and software set? (is randall still afilliated with morrebank, or have more pressing issues forced him to have to take a breather from racing ??:confused: ....hopefully all is ok with the foote's).