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Old 12-03-2017, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cplus View Post
Chris - as soon as written they will be made available to clubs if they request them.

Suggest if you want any of the comments we make backed up, contact Brad Riksman. He was there in person. I’m sure he would be more than happy to share his views.
Come on Clive that is really poor from a governance perspective. The minutes of the AGM should be already done (allowing time for you guys to get home and sort through everything) and published to the clubs. The clubs shouldn't have to request the minutes.
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Come on Clive that is really poor from a governance perspective. The minutes of the AGM should be already done (allowing time for you guys to get home and sort through everything) and published to the clubs. The clubs shouldn't have to request the minutes.
Chris - there isn’t even a requirement for us to take minutes actually.

The association AGM, yes. The section “AGMs” - no.

And in terms of governance - NOT ONE CLUB contacted AARCMCC in advance to nominate who would be their delegate at the AGM as is required.

So other than Ed, no one there actually had a right to be there.....
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The flip side (pun intended) to extra track prep like putting down sugar is that it can hurt some classes, traction rolling minis come to mind. I like the SERCCC track better when it's unprepared.
No disrespect to the mighty mini (a class I've enjoyed over the years as well) but it would have to be one of the very few classes that extra prep would possibly hurt, and when comparing the 2 - 1/12 is the internationally sanctioned class and occasionally I think we forget to look at the bigger picture. If that means the mini people need to work out how to stop a bit of traction rolling so we can get more interest in 1/12 then I say get the sugar out.

Since this is not the overall purpose of the AARCMCC thread thats the last I'll say here about it.. Cheers
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Originally Posted by cplus View Post
NOT ONE CLUB contacted AARCMCC in advance to nominate who would be their delegate at the AGM as is required.

So other than Ed, no one there actually had a right to be there.....
The clubs were not required to nominate due to the vote for section head/secretary and so forth being done electronically.

In regards to the current 1/12 stock 13.5 class proposal,It's my understanding that this was raised at the 2016 Nationals AGM and the drivers rejected 13.5 in favour of the current 10.5 motors is this correct?

I would be in favour of an amendment to the current proposal in the form which motor should be used.

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The clubs were not required to nominate due to the vote for section head/secretary and so forth being done electronically.

In regards to the current 1/12 stock 13.5 class proposal,It's my understanding that this was raised at the 2016 Nationals AGM and the drivers rejected 13.5 in favour of the current 10.5 motors is this correct?

I would be in favour of an amendment to the current proposal in the form which motor should be used.
I just re-read the facebook event for the AGM, twice, no mention there that clubs had to nominate a delegate in advance.
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I just re-read the facebook event for the AGM, twice, no mention there that clubs had to nominate a delegate in advance.
Clubs were told.

It’s been the same EVERY year. It’s written in black and white very clearly in the constitution.
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The clubs were not required to nominate due to the vote for section head/secretary and so forth being done electronically.
Clubs still need to nominate who is attending to speak on their behalf. It’s always been that way.

We can’t have a situation where someone rocks up and says “I’m from blah blah club” and simply take their word for it.

That’s happened in the past, and it turned out someone who said they represented a club, not only wasn’t a member of the club they said they were but was actually someone who the club specifically wouldn’t want speaking on their behalf (ex member) and didn’t even reside in the state anymore.

Sadly, the actions of the few ruin it for the many.

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In regards to the current 1/12 stock 13.5 class proposal,It's my understanding that this was raised at the 2016 Nationals AGM and the drivers rejected 13.5 in favour of the current 10.5 motors is this correct
No. It was not mentioned at the 2016 AGM.

Edit: apologies. It was. The concept of 1/12th stock was raised. It had “50/50” support and the comment was “10.5 made sense based on good numbers at AOC”

We discussed 2S lipos for 1/12th which IFMAR were reviewing at the time only.

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I would be in favour of an amendment to the current proposal in the form which motor should be used.
That would be going against the decision at the meeting.

However, if you feel strongly that should be the case, mention it to your club and they can request an amendment. Not saying it will change anything, but they can request it.

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Clubs were told.

It’s been the same EVERY year. It’s written in black and white very clearly in the constitution.
Then the section head should not have held the meeting, yet he chose to.

Our understanding was as there was no votes taking place the reason for clubs having a set elected nominee was no longer relevant and therefore not required and we certainly had no indication of anything to the contrary leading up to and during the AGM.

If something was sent to the clubs, please advise when and to what email address, so I can ask my club's executive to investigate why the communication was not passed on.
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Then the section head should not have held the meeting, yet he chose to.

Our understanding was as there was no votes taking place the reason for clubs having a set elected nominee was no longer relevant and therefore not required and we certainly had no indication of anything to the contrary leading up to and during the AGM.

If something was sent to the clubs, please advise when and to what email address, so I can ask my club's executive to investigate why the communication was not passed on.
Actually, we had more than enough club representation to hold a meeting, so I was quite within the sections rights to continue.
We had;
NSW - SMA, Whalan
VIC - TFTR, Geelong, SERRCC
ACT - ACTMRC
QLD - Logan
WA - PRECC, WestCoast
SA - RRCSA
This easily achieves the 25% of clubs, and 25% of states to have a quorum. Maybe have your lawyers check the constitution on that, as you announced you have previously done at the meeting.

So if the committee had chosen to take votes there and then, we could have done also. As it was, we actually felt it more prudent to not vote without the all clubs present, and simply have a "state of the union" meeting, and the opportunity to discuss relevant topics. Which is exactly what happened.
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Actually, we had more than enough club representation to hold a meeting, so I was quite within the sections rights to continue.
We had;
NSW - SMA, Whalan
VIC - TFTR, Geelong, SERRCC
ACT - ACTMRC
QLD - Logan
WA - PRECC, WestCoast
SA - RRCSA
This easily achieves the 25% of clubs, and 25% of states to have a quorum. Maybe have your lawyers check the constitution on that, as you announced you have previously done at the meeting.

So if the committee had chosen to take votes there and then, we could have done also. As it was, we actually felt it more prudent to not vote without the all clubs present, and simply have a "state of the union" meeting, and the opportunity to discuss relevant topics. Which is exactly what happened.
I wasn't questioning the validity of the meeting, I merely stated that 'if' none of us had a right to be there as Clive had asserted, you were within your rights to not hold the meeting. I personally didn't have an issue with the meeting taking place and that it was conducted in accordance as it should have been as per the constitution and the governing regulations.
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Then the section head should not have held the meeting, yet he chose to.
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I wasn't questioning the validity of the meeting, I merely stated that 'if' none of us had a right to be there as Clive had asserted, you were within your rights to not hold the meeting. I personally didn't have an issue with the meeting taking place and that it was conducted in accordance as it should have been as per the constitution and the governing regulations.
Read that opening line of your previous post, and tell me where you aren't implying the meeting shouldn't have run, and ergo, it's validity.
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Read that opening line of your previous post, and tell me where you aren't implying the meeting shouldn't have run, and ergo, it's validity.
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Chris - there isn’t even a requirement for us to take minutes actually.

The association AGM, yes. The section “AGMs” - no.

And in terms of governance - NOT ONE CLUB contacted AARCMCC in advance to nominate who would be their delegate at the AGM as is required.

So other than Ed, no one there actually had a right to be there.....
Only in response to the statement made by Clive. I am not at all querying the validity of the meeting however it was stated by a sitting committee member that we should not have been there was it not?

Meeting was fine as far as I was concerned.
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Only in response to the statement made by Clive. I am not at all querying the validity of the meeting however it was stated by a sitting committee member that we should not have been there was it not?

Meeting was fine as far as I was concerned.
I’ll rephrase. “Technically” other then Ed, no one had a “formal” right to be there.

Ed, appropriate for the situation went ahead with the “meeting” but did not allow any formal activities (voting) to be undertaken.

Notification of the AGM was sent on 7 October.
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Guys, Clive's post a couple of pages back (#865) says that 13.5 was voted on. But the posts on this page say no voting occured.

If no formal voting occurred, then it wouldn't hurt to debate the 13.5 vs 10.5 motors and hear from the guys that actually race 1/12. We have a fair bit of experience running 10.5 across the country, both on carpet and asphalt. But I doubt there would be much, if any, experience running 13.5.

I think we all need to take a breath, do some testing of 13.5 1/12, and see what actually works best. I can see pros and cons of both motors, but I don't think we're in a position to vote just yet.
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Guys, Clive's post a couple of pages back (#865) says that 13.5 was voted on. But the posts on this page say no voting occured.
Note a vote. It was a direction from the meeting.

There is a difference. Essentially;

Vote: it’s done. The rule change can be applied. Committee empowered to execute.

Direction: prepare a proposal and put to clubs to vote.

The current EPONR committee are not fans of the former at AGMs - not wide enough representation and potentially open to abuse.
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