Besercoe

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How about we use the ultimate control tyre, those premounted proline tire, they are available in two compounds, and cost less than tire wheel insert combo. you would still have a bit of tuning possibility but everyone will be exactly the same. and i am sure uncle greg could get them if he has not got any at the moment.

they are now available in normal width.

Coxy

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Coxy

I hope your not talking about those yellow dots and greens dots with the foam on the inside. I blew a set in a night and I think Jake lasted 1 and half nights on these.

I am glad to hear that Black night shares my views. They do it at all big meets overseas so why not hear. I have heard about that race meet was talking about in the 16x3 class, It heard it was really good.

Besercoe

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yes i was talking about those yellow and green compounds, how can you wear them so quick, the rubber is really thick and quite hard in comparison to other rubbers, i used to run them a while ago, and even the yellow ones had dozens of nights on them and are only just now getting thin on the inside edge.

The only thing i can think of is that the 26 mm ones are made differently, i have the old 28 mm ones.

contact

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the problem with control tyres is someone gets a windfall (it must be some socialist streak comming out in me ) and i dont think that monoploies are much good (take telstra for example)... sure for a specific class.

one of the arguments for foam over rubber has been 'ultimate' performance choice (especially in mod) an 'open' class should be just that.. open

black-knight

I will always run on foam if given the coice, when talking about contol rubber, i'm only talking about Castle Hill.

Coxy

Contact, yes ok Mod should be open. But a few points to remember. The only reason we are running exotic rubber is the fact that everybody else is in the same class. So it becomes very expensive. what we are doing now is really running a control tyre but not by choice because we are all running the same as it is.

As far as a monopolise ok it will for a while. But if we contact companies to put in a tender to be the control rubber than its just like anything else and it should be good for the racer. Important thing here is to be fair for the racer. Like we are the ones using them and paying for them.

As i said I am happy to keep running as we are but it just makes no sense. Tell me why do other forms of motor sport do it so why don't we. It will also make it closer racing which is what we want.

Coxy

TJ

Hi Guy's for all those people that didn't make it down to the track last Friday night, the extenions to the track have finely started. I don't know how long it will take to complete but in the end we end up with a bigger track. So while construction is going on please do not try to park on that side of the track.

scottyhill

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Control Tires!. . . . Definitely the way to go. How much money do people want to spend on this sport. Only reason I keep running stock is that I don't want to spend the money on tires every couple of weeks. Everyone knows I spend enough now. Stick 'em on some Bedrock specials that last forever, and lets see who can drive and set there cars up. I know people are going to whinge if the tires chosen don't other a huge amount of grip, but as long as everyone is in the same boat then those who whinge obviously are afraid to put there driving to the test.
Let the talent shine on something that tests your skill!

scottyhill

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When your talking control tires, why not put it to a tender process. Say different importers submit products for evaluation and a group/commitee votes on the results. That importer then gets the contract for x amount of time (1-2 years etc) at a fixed price which is all submitted at time of tender. That way the importer knows rough quanities he needs of the particular tire over a set period of time and also stops him jacking up the price once winning the tender. If he does, he should lose the contract and it all starts again. Same at the end of the contracted period.
It may sound a little complicated but can be made very simple which I feel could be very effective in helping to reduce costs.

Besercoe

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we have to remeber that at castle hill there is a huge variation in temperature, we would need to choose a contol tyre for different series, ie six months of X tyre and 6 months of a harder y tyre for summer.

i still think that the yellow and green dot, proline capped tire for winter would be suitable. I dont know how other people could chew these out in night racing, unless they were soaked in traction compound.


and it limits the cost of inserts, etc.

contact

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i dont race mod - for a couple of reasons - A) im not good enough, B) its too costly to do well... i think that life in the fast lane is expensive.

things like batteries and tyres should be controlled is lower classes, but mod should be where the fastest cars hang out (and i guess the expense that goes with running at the top level)

just look at the growth of stock over the last few years... people will pick the level they can afford (or otherwise) to run at... if mod looks like going the way of pro 10 (i dont care what response that returns! ) then make changes

Besercoe

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this discussion in centred around mod at castle hill only, where a small select group of people run regularly with each other.

and we also only race for 4 minutes on a tight and twisty track, and where grip is relatively low especially in winter. last week in mod the top qualifier used a 16x3, and third used a 19x2, so horsepower is not a top priority, batteries are never an issue.

the only real ongoing cost associated with castle hill is tyres, so this is what started the discussion.

i am against jumping into a contol tyre without full consultation of all drivers, and also picking a tyre that is readily available, provides a decent level of traction and has good wear. that is why i have suggested the proline capped, it is easy to tech, available from HE, and should not cost too much.

we have to consider a tyre that can be determined, ie say a sorex 28 would be perfect for winter racing, but you could not distinguish it from a sorex 20.

contact

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im sorry, for some reason i thought that this had evoleved into a 'general' electric discussion my biggie...

special curcumstances require special rules...

run a spec tyre - they do at the worlds

TJ

As we have already stated at Castle Hill, the 4wd mini class will be dropped at the end of the pointscore. We have decided to let the 4wd minis only to race in the 4wd 540 lights class, using the same motor as the standard sedans and with a different weight limit. More will be forthcoming in the next couple of weeks.

Trevor Johnstone