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Originally Posted by hillbilly_bumfc
(Post 7310938)
So you 2 guys work for hobby shops:p:p:p
In my 20+ years of racing..Not one hobby shop has attemted to help anyone..Only to help empty their pockets... And let alone "advice"? they will give advise...what they can sell, with the greatest mark-up's.:p Never have i seen/ heard of a shop helping.. I remmember racing at a certain shops track..they would all rub their hands and smile every time a loud "Smash" was heard..more money for em.. That track is a has been.... So..You tell me what shop has helped a newbie when he is having problems? Its usually some one like me who feels sorry for the person...Not the local hobby shops as they see the newbies as "fresh meat".... So..To the local hobby shops...bring your prices down, have a smile on your face when im shopping and Help the newbies...If that happens, then maybee, i said maybee we as racers/ hobbiests will support our local..Until then..all my hard earned cash will go overseas.....as i work for me...not him...:ha::ha: Also the difference in price on most spares and quite often batteries and motors is negligible if not on par with most of the OS shops once you take into account freight and exchange. Sure there are places that are cheaper on certain items but I know for a fact that I have saved myself money recently buying from my LHS (RC Hobbies mainly). Not everything I agree, but that is why we all shop around. |
I have only been in this hobby for just over 12 months and my LHS has given my son and I good support from the start both in the shop and at the track. Yes things in the shop do cost more but I get stuff from the shop. I have also had one order from the US. This is an expencive hobby so I need to save money where I can to keep my son having fun and keeping him off the computer etc. I support my LHS because of the help I get.
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You will soon find out that alot of the hobby online stores etc off shore have low or no tax to pay on profits when exporting thus giving the saving back to the customer at min of 30% .They pay 1 to 1 in us dollars and the freight is the same were Australia and europe dont have these luxuries.The only saving in oz is the gst when exporting nothing else as its leaving the country and not returning.You still have all you super to pay employees,taxes for company ,insurances and many many more it all adds up in the end .
Thats how the low pricing out of these countrys is sustainable especially hong kong .Nothing illegal just the way it is . Its not up to the governments to do anything but the manufactures need to clamp down and have different pricing for different regions but when money talks and bullshit runs a marathon nothing will ever happen to fix the problem . we dont sell to these regions to protect our name ,reputation and our around the world customers as we are true believers that we will make much more money with 61 different countries than just one doing the wrong thing . |
Originally Posted by COBRARACING
(Post 7311700)
Dude i dont know you and you probably dont know me but your comment's are not very nice and baseless .
You dont want to support the local hobby store well then thats your business but i ask you this who do you think sponsors the club and main events this country runs ? Is it Amain hobbies? rc mushroom? rc mart? Hobbyking? or any other online store from around the world ?No its your local distributor and your local hobby shop and the clubs that put in all the hard work that do this to bring events for you to run in and have fun . N.s.w titles look at there raffle all the prizes are from local people not overseas and there is more than $10,000 in prizes .maybe if everyone supported the local there would be more prizes and more events and lower pricing. You say in your comments that the lhs drive flashy cars that you pay for well mate you wouldn't have a clue as one day i would like to take you to Asia hong kong and show you what the people who you support by buying overseas drive and live in you would have a heart attack .I know the lot of them trust me. I bet you also didnt know that any hobby shop or any business really in hong kong that sells products to outsiders(OUTSIDE OF HONG KONG) doesn't pay tax on the profits of sales only pays when sold locally ( its nothing illegal thats there system and law)I BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT .There are alot of things you just dont know thats why i said your post is meaningless and baseless as you dont understand the system. The local hobby store in Australia is suffering from people like you who send your dollar overseas to save a few bucks but you dont understand that you are costing jobs how about if it was your industry being shipped overseas how would you feel then and you didnt have a job and couldnt pay your morgage or your car and couldnt do r/c which i can see you love? The Asia markets can afford to be cheaper as there cost of living is low and they sell worldwide and they make most of there funds on delivery chargers .example 1.5 million customers a year ,add $3.00 per shipment per customer which a cusomter is not going to mind and the total is $4.5 million in freight profit thats how they work .Thats why they can add only 15% profit to the product as also they buy direct from manufacturers in china no middle man like a distributor. We in Oz also have alot of things against us in business 1.High taxes example indirect 2.low population (big problem) 3 expensve freight costs 4.higher living costs 5.high interest rates which are higher for business if unsecured 6.lower wage increases . 7.lots of unemployment benefits paid for people who can work (big problem) 8 extreme business restrictions and laws. 9.highest rentals in the world . and many more factors its not just greed as you specified.its reality sit down and do the math In Aus to buy maccas it cost's the following 2 x double cheese burger meals large 2 x big mack meals large and 40 nuggets at the cost of probably $35 pr more do you know in hong kong and china what the cost is $15.00 only so there cost of living is even less and if it's traditional meals 8 people can eat for $20 at a flashy restaurant .Im just giving you some examples on how these people make money and save at the same time . Come on dude im sure your smarter than that and your just having a bad day .But one thing i will agree with you is that yes there are some hobby shops with poor service but with a little education im sure they will come good everyone needs to educate eachother SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW AUSSIE I SAY AND KEEP THEM IN A JOB . Guys sorry for the long reply just stating facts so all caan understand ps:yes i am a manufacturer and distributor and my Aussie dollar gets spent overseas buying stock but my dollar returns to stimulate the Australian economy were your dollar never returns . In order to buy all of the necessary items to allow me to continue to participate in the races, I must unfortunately resort to buying the majority of my products online as they are a lot cheaper. If I was to spend my budget within the Australian stores, I would not be able to obtain all of the necessary items I need to continue to race and therefore I would have to give up racing all together. With regards to many Australian stores I have purchased from, I find the service to be very slow. I telephoned an Australia store last week and was assured that the product I needed would be delivered by Thursday last week to enable me to race this weekend. On the basis of this assurance, I ordered the product from this store. I have not received it yet and as a result I am unable to race this weekend. :flaming: If it was in fact just a diffence of a few dollars in the prices, I would purchase everything in Australia. However, many of the products have a price difference of up to $175.00, and I simply cannot afford to pay the difference and continue to race. I would love to be able to support the Australian industry, and I realise that the owners of these stores have monthly bills and mortgages to pay, but I'm sorry to say that my bills and mortgages must take priority. If I was to ever enter into business ownership, I would only do so in an industry that I have thoroughly investigated and satisfied myself that I have a reasonable expectancy to earn profits that would at least allow me to pay my monthly bills. It is very unfortunate that owners of local Hobby Shops are struggling. If I was in this situation, I would cut my losses, get out of an industry that apparantly has not much potential of being successful, and get a job in order to pay my bills. As I have said, I would love to be able to support the local industry and would welcome any suggestions anyone may have that would allow me to buy all of the same quality items I purchase online from a local hobby shop and stick within my budget. |
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Originally Posted by Thunder Beast
(Post 7315901)
I have been racing for a while now and overseas online stores have been the only reason I can continue to race, as I, like many of the other people within the hobby, have a very modest budget which I must stick to in order to pay all of my bills.
In order to buy all of the necessary items to allow me to continue to participate in the races, I must unfortunately resort to buying the majority of my products online as they are a lot cheaper. If I was to spend my budget within the Australian stores, I would not be able to obtain all of the necessary items I need to continue to race and therefore I would have to give up racing all together. With regards to many Australian stores I have purchased from, I find the service to be very slow. I telephoned an Australia store last week and was assured that the product I needed would be delivered by Thursday last week to enable me to race this weekend. On the basis of this assurance, I ordered the product from this store. I have not received it yet and as a result I am unable to race this weekend. :flaming: If it was in fact just a diffence of a few dollars in the prices, I would purchase everything in Australia. However, many of the products have a price difference of up to $175.00, and I simply cannot afford to pay the difference and continue to race. I would love to be able to support the Australian industry, and I realise that the owners of these stores have monthly bills and mortgages to pay, but I'm sorry to say that my bills and mortgages must take priority. If I was to ever enter into business ownership, I would only do so in an industry that I have thoroughly investigated and satisfied myself that I have a reasonable expectancy to earn profits that would at least allow me to pay my monthly bills. It is very unfortunate that owners of local Hobby Shops are struggling. If I was in this situation, I would cut my losses, get out of an industry that apparantly has not much potential of being successful, and get a job in order to pay my bills. As I have said, I would love to be able to support the local industry and would welcome any suggestions anyone may have that would allow me to buy all of the same quality items I purchase online from a local hobby shop and stick within my budget. |
Originally Posted by Thunder Beast
(Post 7315901)
I have been racing for a while now and overseas online stores have been the only reason I can continue to race, as I, like many of the other people within the hobby, have a very modest budget which I must stick to in order to pay all of my bills.
In order to buy all of the necessary items to allow me to continue to participate in the races, I must unfortunately resort to buying the majority of my products online as they are a lot cheaper. If I was to spend my budget within the Australian stores, I would not be able to obtain all of the necessary items I need to continue to race and therefore I would have to give up racing all together. With regards to many Australian stores I have purchased from, I find the service to be very slow. I telephoned an Australia store last week and was assured that the product I needed would be delivered by Thursday last week to enable me to race this weekend. On the basis of this assurance, I ordered the product from this store. I have not received it yet and as a result I am unable to race this weekend. :flaming: If it was in fact just a diffence of a few dollars in the prices, I would purchase everything in Australia. However, many of the products have a price difference of up to $175.00, and I simply cannot afford to pay the difference and continue to race. I would love to be able to support the Australian industry, and I realise that the owners of these stores have monthly bills and mortgages to pay, but I'm sorry to say that my bills and mortgages must take priority. If I was to ever enter into business ownership, I would only do so in an industry that I have thoroughly investigated and satisfied myself that I have a reasonable expectancy to earn profits that would at least allow me to pay my monthly bills. It is very unfortunate that owners of local Hobby Shops are struggling. If I was in this situation, I would cut my losses, get out of an industry that apparantly has not much potential of being successful, and get a job in order to pay my bills. As I have said, I would love to be able to support the local industry and would welcome any suggestions anyone may have that would allow me to buy all of the same quality items I purchase online from a local hobby shop and stick within my budget. I don't know but I'd be right dissapointed if RC hobbies or such like closed down, If only cause Id have NCKMAT bothering me to order parts from overseas:lol::lol::lol::lol: |
Originally Posted by Thunder Beast
(Post 7315901)
I have been racing for a while now and overseas online stores have been the only reason I can continue to race, as I, like many of the other people within the hobby, have a very modest budget which I must stick to in order to pay all of my bills.
In order to buy all of the necessary items to allow me to continue to participate in the races, I must unfortunately resort to buying the majority of my products online as they are a lot cheaper. If I was to spend my budget within the Australian stores, I would not be able to obtain all of the necessary items I need to continue to race and therefore I would have to give up racing all together. With regards to many Australian stores I have purchased from, I find the service to be very slow. I telephoned an Australia store last week and was assured that the product I needed would be delivered by Thursday last week to enable me to race this weekend. On the basis of this assurance, I ordered the product from this store. I have not received it yet and as a result I am unable to race this weekend. :flaming: If it was in fact just a diffence of a few dollars in the prices, I would purchase everything in Australia. However, many of the products have a price difference of up to $175.00, and I simply cannot afford to pay the difference and continue to race. I would love to be able to support the Australian industry, and I realise that the owners of these stores have monthly bills and mortgages to pay, but I'm sorry to say that my bills and mortgages must take priority. If I was to ever enter into business ownership, I would only do so in an industry that I have thoroughly investigated and satisfied myself that I have a reasonable expectancy to earn profits that would at least allow me to pay my monthly bills. It is very unfortunate that owners of local Hobby Shops are struggling. If I was in this situation, I would cut my losses, get out of an industry that apparantly has not much potential of being successful, and get a job in order to pay my bills. As I have said, I would love to be able to support the local industry and would welcome any suggestions anyone may have that would allow me to buy all of the same quality items I purchase online from a local hobby shop and stick within my budget. ps;I bet if us Australians needed smokes ,dope or a beer at the pub im sure they would find the money and pay a premium for it right? but here they are complianing about rc pricing and rate rises.lol gambling even worse |
Originally Posted by COBRARACING
(Post 7319005)
ps;I bet if us Australians needed smokes ,dope or a beer at the pub im sure they would find the money and pay a premium for it right? but here they are complianing about rc pricing and rate rises.lol gambling even worse
The simple fact is, if the local hobby retailers and distributors don't change their business model, they will simply become another victim of the technology revolution just like the humble photolab. It is difficult for ppl to stay loyal when in some cases there is such a large discrepancy in prices. eg AE B44 Kit can be had fro AUD$350 to the door, where most LHS will hit you AUD$500. Venom are a good example of a local distributor doing a great job in adapting, with their Team Durango prices very comparable to OS prices. Having said this, RC Hobbies do have very competitive price on most items. |
Originally Posted by hillbilly_bumfc
(Post 7310938)
So you 2 guys work for hobby shops:p:p:p
In my 20+ years of racing..Not one hobby shop has attemted to help anyone..Only to help empty their pockets... And let alone "advice"? they will give advise...what they can sell, with the greatest mark-up's.:p Never have i seen/ heard of a shop helping.. I remmember racing at a certain shops track..they would all rub their hands and smile every time a loud "Smash" was heard..more money for em.. That track is a has been.... So..You tell me what shop has helped a newbie when he is having problems? Its usually some one like me who feels sorry for the person...Not the local hobby shops as they see the newbies as "fresh meat".... So..To the local hobby shops...bring your prices down, have a smile on your face when im shopping and Help the newbies...If that happens, then maybee, i said maybee we as racers/ hobbiests will support our local..Until then..all my hard earned cash will go overseas.....as i work for me...not him...:ha::ha: I started in this hobby 5months back. Now i had never raced before and went a hobby shop in Hunter St Newcastle as i knew one of the guys there from model trains. I had no idea as to what was racing at Maitland but they helped me out immensely. I found out one of the staff actually races at Maitland and up to now have not had any problems when a newbi like myself walks in there with a problem. I can walk in there and ask what would seem to you experts a silly question but i am given the answer without anyone sniggling and laughing at me. The store does look after us as members as well and that does help. BTW i am no way employed or have anything else to do with this store other than being a customer. |
Another annoying part in Oz with this hobby is nothing is manufactured in Australia.
Why cant you manufacture anything in Australia Angelo instead of sending millions each year out of the country? Yes it is more expensive, but the greed drives you to China where you pay some poor barstard 50 cents an hour. |
Originally Posted by The OX
(Post 7320325)
Another annoying part in Oz with this hobby is nothing is manufactured in Australia.
Why cant you manufacture anything in Australia Angelo instead of sending millions each year out of the country? Yes it is more expensive, but the greed drives you to China where you pay some poor barstard 50 cents an hour. |
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Originally Posted by Thunder Beast
(Post 7315901)
I have been racing for a while now and overseas online stores have been the only reason I can continue to race, as I, like many of the other people within the hobby, have a very modest budget which I must stick to in order to pay all of my bills.
In order to buy all of the necessary items to allow me to continue to participate in the races, I must unfortunately resort to buying the majority of my products online as they are a lot cheaper. If I was to spend my budget within the Australian stores, I would not be able to obtain all of the necessary items I need to continue to race and therefore I would have to give up racing all together. With regards to many Australian stores I have purchased from, I find the service to be very slow. I telephoned an Australia store last week and was assured that the product I needed would be delivered by Thursday last week to enable me to race this weekend. On the basis of this assurance, I ordered the product from this store. I have not received it yet and as a result I am unable to race this weekend. :flaming: If it was in fact just a diffence of a few dollars in the prices, I would purchase everything in Australia. However, many of the products have a price difference of up to $175.00, and I simply cannot afford to pay the difference and continue to race. I would love to be able to support the Australian industry, and I realise that the owners of these stores have monthly bills and mortgages to pay, but I'm sorry to say that my bills and mortgages must take priority. If I was to ever enter into business ownership, I would only do so in an industry that I have thoroughly investigated and satisfied myself that I have a reasonable expectancy to earn profits that would at least allow me to pay my monthly bills. It is very unfortunate that owners of local Hobby Shops are struggling. If I was in this situation, I would cut my losses, get out of an industry that apparantly has not much potential of being successful, and get a job in order to pay my bills. As I have said, I would love to be able to support the local industry and would welcome any suggestions anyone may have that would allow me to buy all of the same quality items I purchase online from a local hobby shop and stick within my budget. Would have to agree, if i had to buy everything locally probably would have given rc up as it gets expensive. "up to $175"... i seen stuff on the net up to $260 cheaper than LHS including postage, and thats only on a $500 item!! And its not for chinese crap either, exactly same product! The LHS have to be making a killing on stuff like this, even if they have to pay more taxes and stuff like ppl have said. |
Very dangerous thread here guys, I can assure you there are probably a few LHS owners reading these posts with great interest, many may even know their customers online "identities" as well...
What you say could end up biting you in the backside next time you do ask for their help! The industry is what it is, no amount of online griping is going to change the status quo. |
Wurd ^
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