I would have thought that if the club is going to run the traditional electric classes then motor limits etc should be able to be put in place at a members meeting prior to the season beginning , the need to have sufficent numbers for each class could be a problem but then if the decreed motor limit was applied across all car types they could at least run as a mixed class . The sc trucks need to have a motor limit in place that is in line with what is supplied in the RTR kits so that those entering the sport don't have to start spending money upgrading straight after outlaying for a new car , it can be a bit of a turn-off .
Personally I don't GAS who's running what I'm only out to have some :)fun !!

If you are considering limiting the motor limit, you may also want to consider limiting batteries to 2cell lipo or 6cell nicd/mh. Reason being, obviously there is a slight advantage running higher voltage. If your capping motor limits for the reason of a class running less numbers, IMO batts need to be limited aswell...

But, i know these numbers are quite low atm, what about the people that have already upgraded to lower turn/higher kv motor, then have to go out & buy a motor & spend more money to race in that class? You've gotta try & accomodate for both types of people, which can be quite frustrating.

I can honestly see your point with the whole RTR specs = more competitors cause cheaper. TBH on the CRCMCC off-road track, a 10.5 would be a handful, but im just trying to see this from both sides (rtr & upgraded).

& yeha ill be in it for the fun factor aswell...

Absolutely, I think the reference to any battery meant any 'C' rating or mah, not voltage, definately needs to be 2s lipo/6s nimh.

With regards to those who've already got an upgraded motor, above the suggested limit, I'm not sure how the club deals with that. Certainly a new motor on it's own is not a huge investment (although, for some it still could be considered to be), and maybe affordable relatively quickly

Im running a BL thats alot lower in turn compared to a 10.5, in a SCT (short course truck) & i do hope, lost my pinion & have to buy new 1 from down south hoping it will get here before friday, to be racing next meet to get a feel of the track before the next years season so i can judge for myself if i should run a 10.5 or higher turn motor. TBH i really dont mind having to buy a 10.5, if thats what i gotta do to be in this specific class then so be it. But, I also use the truck as my basher. I could however use a 10.5 for racing & keep my current motor for bashings...

I think anything lower than 10.5 would be a handfull to drive in a SC anyway, like Kym stated before a 17.5 stock setup would probably be smoother and more controlled and would most likely pull simular or even quicker lap times.

I agree that leaving the motor class open would make it easier as faster motor is not always quicker.

Too true , having run stock alongside mods in the past the differences thru the tighter parts of a track tend to be driver input rather than motor size but there are some advantages with mod motors in dealing with jumps and there's the obvious speed difference in a staight line . It just seems that a basic setup with a class motor,tyres and battery limit that's as close to rtr as practical should help keep costs down and competion more driver based and allow newcomers a chance to get into the sport at a reasonable cost - isn't that part of the idea with growing the club particularly with a new class like the SC trucks ?

- 2wd: Mod & 17.5 only
- 4wd: Mod & 17.5 only
- Truck: Mod or 17.5 only
- Novice
- Slash / Rally / 1:8 whatever people want to race, let them if there are 3 - 5 or more.

Having 3 motor classes for buggy is too much. I can't see the need for 13.5 pro stock when you have 17.5.

I also think if more than 3 people want to bring a slash or whatever, let them race it's up to them to encourage that class to grow.

Also ask your club members what they want, and how they thing the club can grow and be healthy.

If you want new and young members, I think you need to ask yourself if your track is exciting and even what your club vibe is like. I know in Sydney there is huge resistance to change, shunning making tracks contemporary or too technical. I think this is stifling and only suits some drivers who have been racing for years and don't want to change. Exciting off road tracks with lots of jumps will bring a new generation away from their computer games and outdoors.

HALLELUJAH !!!! Could'nt agree more the whole race-day thing should be about having a good time and enjoying yourself .:nod::nod: Sadly it does'nt solve the dilemma as far as sorting out what motors and batteries etc should be allowable in each type of car but if we are going to continue to run under the allycat qualifying format then the biggest adversery everybody has to beat will be themselves . It's a little funny we look at motor winds on electric but what's the HP rating for nitro classes ??::confused:

Digging up an old thread here.....

Everybody should read Scott Guyatt's article on page 89 of Racing Lines April 2010 issue.

He basically goes on to agree that one motor class (being racers choice) should be applicable to each category of electric racing.

"No more spec esc's or motors, just free choice" and "It might never work...except that it does for GP off-road" as stated.

Excellent article IMHO

It appears CRCMCC Inc is onto something......

Interesting topic
 

This sort of thing has been tried and tested at our local club days, with a good mix of different motor winds in the same class, and as someone has said previously, not always the most power wins, but most of us know that already!
GP Offroad does set a great example on how and why this theory works, persuading the powers to be may prove a little trickier!:)

Re: Motor limits
 

I concur. You just have to look at last years 1/10th EP nationals in Townsville where the 'stock' drivers were lapping just as quickly as the modifieds. So why bother. I can also attest that having a more powerful motor does not always convert to faster laps. I once had a 3.0 turn LRP motor in my 4wd buggy, and apart from the straight, it was barely driveable.

We have the same problem, too many classes diluting the racing quality. We only run Stock and Mod in everything plus 1/8 EP and a Rookie class that's all in and we encourage new drivers to bolt in something slower for. We get 50 to 60 for a race meet but there are just too many divisions even for us.

We only run once a month so this isn't such a good option for us, but it could work for others: Castle Hill Onroad used to run different classes in alternate weeks. You could run week 1: Stock 2wd, Mod 4wd, Stock SCT, Mod Truck, 1/8 EP; Week 2: Mod 2wd, Stock 4wd, Mod SCT, Stock Truck, 4x4 SCT. That way there would be 5 classes instead of 10 per meet. And you can either race once every 2 meets, swap motors and run Mod one week and Stock the next, or have 2 cars one for each meet type.

I must have said this 1000 times. The reason it works in Nitro and won't in electric is the characteristics of the motor. A nitro motor has all its torque up high in the rev range, meaning acceleration is relatively easy. An electric motor is the opposite, all the torque is available under initial acceleration. It's physics. Unless you offer a spec motor class people WILL bolt in a motor that they can't control, WILL get frustrated, will probably break their car and maybe someone else's and will probably give up.

I can't think of a single Electric racer who started after '95 who has been able to go straight to Mod without cutting their teeth on something slower, something that allows them to learn race craft and lines without also having to learn throttle control at the same time.

I can't think of a single electric racer who seriously tried.

We spend all our time telling everyone that you have to start in 540, then stock, then (eventually) modified.

Give me two racers of equal talent, equal budget, equal motivation. Start one in modified and give them 3 years to learn, start the other in 540 for a year, then two years in stock. I guarantee that by the end of year three, the guy (or girl) who has three years in modified will be far better at driving and setup than the one who progressed through the classes, and far closer to being competitive in modified.

For some reason we're afraid of encouraging people to get to modified early and learn there.

I've said it over and over. Spec classes are good, the racing is fun, and if you like it, then stick with it and enjoy (I do). But if your ultimate aim is to compete in modified against the best, then get to the class as soon as possible and learn there.

That's just a personal view. We're all entitled to them. I could be wrong. Often am.