Will 235mm 4wd make a difference in selection?
 

What would really make a difference in what potential buyers would buy if we changed the rules in 235mm and ran only 4wd Group C.
Would this have an impact on the 1/8th 4wd and 1/10th 200mm scales. Pesonally I think that they will. Even though there are only a few manufacturers out there this wont deter them.
So far I count Serpent, Mugen, Madog, future possiblity being Kyosho and maybe picco with there new model.

What do you guys think??

Should be interesting to have something new.

Not generally better (you will never make me believe that anything beats 2wd 235mm) but new and interesting, shows something is happening in the class and gives the manufactures another class to exploit.

The buyers won't change, I still don't see 235mm cars entering the mainstream that N/T enjoy, but some of the established racers that enjoy 4wd may be attracted.

I think that eventually some will tirer of the constant price spiral that N/T's are becoming and may look at 235mm in a 4wd sence and on the 1/8th front, the guys who run mid pack and find it hard to compete with some of the more experienced guys may try 235 if it is 4wd.

One thing is for sure though, if it starts to take off it will only be a matter of time before we hear the usual group wanting to run outlaw, bloody ugly lola bodies or just trying to make it more expensive for everyone as usual.

We'll see, it may just end up making no difference at all.

Craig

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I agree, I think that this class will be the next big thing, I also anticipate a big shift from 200mm to the 235 4wd, and even 1/8th going back to 235mm 4wd version.

15 motors are the best, and run forever, and as a dam holds back the build up of water, it is only a matter of time before we see all the 4wd 235 come out to play. I know many of you already have them, and some are still waiting, but I'll put money on it, 235 4wd will be the premier class within 2 years.


A.G.

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if your suggesting there will be more 235's than 200's ill take that bet and give you odds!:lol: :lol:

I have to admit i looked at 235mm before gettin another tourer the only thing that stopped me was the lack of places to race that and the lack of racers racing them also.
but if it does take off ill change over too 235mm for sure

Contact I wouldn’t be so quick to discredit what Anthony has said, after all it only seems like yesterday that I was watching Kyosho Spiders and alike fall apart around Moorebank and thinking to myself why would you bother running Nitro Tourers?
How some things change!
It would require a lot of things to happen though.
Imagine that IFMAR officially recognize 4wd 235mm and countries start adopting it instead of the usual 2wd.
Lets see there is talk that Kyosho is considering 235, in my opinion they already make one but they call it a super-ten (as do Tamiya (TGX) and HPI (Super Nitro)). Apparently these things are reasonably popular in Asia, so if Kyosho decided to make what would after all be a smaller version of their 1/8th Fantom and run it in super-ten, either Tamiya and HPI would stop making these as they would be uncompetitive or make something similar.
All HPI would need to do is the same as Kyosho and make a smaller version of the Proceed, the same arms, bulkheads, hubs, shocks, radio tray supports with narrower chassis and radio tray and both of these companies would have a 235/4wd car.
How could other companies that already have an existing 1/8th chassis, resist making a slightly smaller variant to compete is this new class if it seems to be gathering a following.
The costs would have to be minimal who knows you could even see a 1/10th scale Slide.
All of this is stargazing but just like N/T’s sprung to prominence; there is no reason that there isn’t another equally big or bigger class of racing around the corner, who knows?
I’m sure you’re not naive enough to think that N/T’s will be as popular as they are forever and that some other class won’t overtake them. As it is in some forums there is talk that the N/T’s don’t have the support they had this time last year in different parts of the world.

Craig
BTW sorry about the draw out post

all this optimistic thinking is well and good but one thing is missing where are these cars going to race unless more top class tracks appear from the gods i can't see them thriving as the tourers enjoy the luxury of being able to be run at the class tracks as well as any temporary tracks throughout australia:nod:

Personally I think it's time we went 4wd. I have been an ardent supporter of staying 2wd but the writing is on the wall.
We will pick up new drivers with 4wd that much seems obvious from the replies in here and from talking to the other classes at the track and other clubs around Australia.


As far as I'm aware EFRA are already running 4wd 235mm GroupC and I feel this is what we should be running as well.


As those of you running 235mm know the rule to allow 4wd was passed last year and we have been waiting on any club to propose rules to run the cars with 2wd in the same races. I feel this is what has held up the adoption of 4wd.


If were going to go 4wd then lets doit, the rules we have are fine as is. There is no need for two body styles or weight penalties, just run all the cars with group C bodies or with tourer bodies depending on the host clubs choice and let each individual driver choose wether they want to run a 2wd or a 4wd.

You will find most change to 4wd immeadiately and some will stay 2wd, some might test both cars at a state titles before official qualifying starts to see what works best. You might find on some tracks that 2wd works better than 4wd who knows.

I don't think we need to tinker with the rules though. Keep them as is other than specifying in the body rule that all cars wether 2wd or 4wd run the same style body shell.

Craig and BG could you guys ring me when you get a chance so we can discuss this on a state level and organise to get any changes into AARCMCC and agreed upon well before the Nats.

Cheers Alastair

Not all of the current temp track appeared as a result of tourers being born.
Many of these track were in existance well before they came along racing what ever was the the class of choice at the time.
Just as N/T's are now populating these tracks the next
'big thing" is bound to as well.

Craig

When Mingara started out we had guys running 235 class cars but as the 200mm cars grew in popularity these guys changed over to the 200mm cars..

There is no problem with running a 1/10th scale 4wd 235mm on a temporary track. I ran one for years at the Monash model car club. We can run these at any track that the 200mm currently run at. There is absolutely no problem there. Just set up the car and your off. Support is the main factor.

It is the 1/8th scale that requires a quarter mile track to engage the clutch.

Cheers BG

I'de love to see them racing 4wd.... Might give the class a good kick start!

p.s Can't work out who BG is.. I'm from SERCCC

Jordan,

BG is non other than Big Billy Giannitis from the MRCCR club at Lilydale :)

Regarding 235mm 4wd, after speaking on the phone to some of the other drivers around Australia tonight who attend most of the State and National titles we will be contacting AARCMCC within the next couple of weeks with a proposal for affiliated clubs to consider to get the 4wd 235 cars on the track.


I'm not sure if your aware but there was a AARCMCC vote 12 months ago by the affiliated clubs to allow 4wd in the 235mm class that passed. What we will be sending to AARCMCC is a proposal to get these cars on the track and racing finally with absolutely minimal changes to the existing rules.

Once I have finshed drafting the proposal and have run it past the commitee at the club, sent it on to AARCMCC and the other interstate 10th drivers I will post a copy here for everyone who is interested.

Cheers Alastair

One thing to consider with the the 4wd movement, NT's have taken off because to the tin top bodies. You will find that the numbers are attracted to the touring car bodies, because they can relate to it driving on the streets.

12th scale and Pro 10 have died in electric, both classes use the GTP body, (not the only reason they died) 4wd electric touring cars have boomed world wide with body designs of all sorts of cars being available from all different countries.

I know that when we get serious, we prefer the Stratus for a tin top, but what gets the beginner in ???
That Subaru WRX, the Toyota WRC, The Nissan Skyline R34, The Falcon and Holden bodies painted in there Hero's colours.

Going to the GTP bodies for these cars may not be the answer to populate this class. In the end, these guys in NT like the variations in the bodies they run, not stuck running one body design only.

So that's my thoughts and it hurt my head:weird:

far too many if, but's, and maybe's - all which require the manurfactures to do something - ive done more research and there are 3 brands (4 if madog is still making them) that i can find but thats hardley enough to get popluar support... its a quantum leap from a $5-600 entry level car to a $1000+ race car (and all the extras - ture truers, starter boxes etc that come with that level) - sure if ifmar create the class manufactures will build a few cars, but they will be like the hpi proceed limited runs and expensive stifling growth at the grass roots

if they can be run on car park tracks excellent thats a start as is supporting the 'super 10' class - there's the entry level but watch the howls from the pits when you end up with the newbie with the super 10 in your heat

one thing for sure fastolfart is on the $$ street sedans are the way to go (even though i love the gtp on the nt!)

id love to run a technically better class but im still doubtfull that there's a long term future for 235mm - time will certainally tell

as for NT's agreed their life is limited to the next big thing - probably brushless electric:lol: :lol: