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Old 03-05-2017, 11:58 PM
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As you know Sydney no longer has an indoor carpet facility for rc cars. The only way I can ever see this happening is if its run purely as a non profit organisation/club. This would require atleast 150 members as a miniumum paying $30 per month in order to lease a warehouse type space in order to facilitate and cover costs of rent/expenses etc. In return menbers would get a key/code to use the facility any time. It could also be used as a venue open to the public with funds earned going back into the club to help cover costs. Looking for feedback as to whether you think this would be possible and also whether you would be prepared to commit $30 per month for full access 24/7. It can only be possible with a large number of members.

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If you want the track to be permanent, then what you propose is what is required. However, that's not the only option.

The model for nearly every carpet club in the UK, and most of them in the US, is that the track is built for each meeting. They roll out ~4 rolls of carpet, tape it, and then place the track barriers. With six to twelve people this takes half an hour to set-up (if you're using somewhat user friendly track barricades) and 15 minutes to pack up.

With this model your rent is substantially reduced. With the right venue you'll only need about 20 people paying $10 to $15 each per meeting to break even. Ideally you want a venue where the track materials can be stored on-site, but otherwise the requirements aren't any more stringent than someone looking to hire a basketball court or similar.
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Thanks for your feedback radioactive. Was not aware thats how most clubs in uk and Usa operated that way. It makes sense.
I was looking at a permanent facility which in reality is probably not realistic. Although I know quite a number of people that would pay the $30 per month (including myself) for permanent facility I dont think it would be possible to get the numbers to make it work. I will have to scout around to find a place that would be suitable and that would hire out on a adhoc or fortnightly/monthly basis.


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If you want the track to be permanent, then what you propose is what is required. However, that's not the only option.

The model for nearly every carpet club in the UK, and most of them in the US, is that the track is built for each meeting. They roll out ~4 rolls of carpet, tape it, and then place the track barriers. With six to twelve people this takes half an hour to set-up (if you're using somewhat user friendly track barricades) and 15 minutes to pack up.

With this model your rent is substantially reduced. With the right venue you'll only need about 20 people paying $10 to $15 each per meeting to break even. Ideally you want a venue where the track materials can be stored on-site, but otherwise the requirements aren't any more stringent than someone looking to hire a basketball court or similar.
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Talk to the guys in Perth @ PRECC. They were carpet track nomads for a very long time and probably have info you could use.
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Thanks for your feedback radioactive. Was not aware thats how most clubs in uk and Usa operated that way. It makes sense.
I was looking at a permanent facility which in reality is probably not realistic. Although I know quite a number of people that would pay the $30 per month (including myself) for permanent facility I dont think it would be possible to get the numbers to make it work. I will have to scout around to find a place that would be suitable and that would hire out on a adhoc or fortnightly/monthly basis.
The problem is that there was a facility not 4 months ago, open everyday and you could drive to your hearts extent for $20, had on road and off-road available with a hobby shop, and food and drink. yet people weren't willing to pay to go to that and subsequently it closed down. I am all for a carpet facility in New South Wales, unfortunately i was also on of about 10-15 people who actually supported the last club until the end.
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There was a venue in Sydney called RC Wonderland that was dedicated to RC drift but they also set up a indoor offroad track for a short period of time.

Unfortunately every time it rained the building leaked and caused massive damage to their gear so they shut up shop.

If there recent Facebook activity is anything to go by it looks like the are gearing up to go again in another location. Maybe try make contact with them and see if there plans include indoor offroad again.

If two communities where to utlise the one location you could possibly get the numbers to make it work.
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I know the one. Only discovered and went there a few months before it closed.
The only way it will work is if its a non profit club.


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The problem is that there was a facility not 4 months ago, open everyday and you could drive to your hearts extent for $20, had on road and off-road available with a hobby shop, and food and drink. yet people weren't willing to pay to go to that and subsequently it closed down. I am all for a carpet facility in New South Wales, unfortunately i was also on of about 10-15 people who actually supported the last club until the end.
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The problem is that there was a facility not 4 months ago, open everyday and you could drive to your hearts extent for $20, had on road and off-road available with a hobby shop, and food and drink. yet people weren't willing to pay to go to that and subsequently it closed down. I am all for a carpet facility in New South Wales, unfortunately i was also on of about 10-15 people who actually supported the last club until the end.
I'm familiar with it. There was lots of interest when it opened. The problem with full time permanent facilities in Sydney is that they have to race very often to try and pay the rent. This burns the racers out and the numbers fall off. When the numbers fall off it's less fun for racers, meaning fewer again turn up. It's a death spiral.

Racing any more than weekly, even if it is two different disciplines is really too much to maintain the numbers that are needed for a healthy racing scene.
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ACTMCRC hire a carpeted hall for both Onroad and off-road.

Fortunate situation where the hall is not "flash" and they are not too fussed with damage to the carpet - not that the racing (even off-road) seems to be problematic.

However,

- It takes longer than the 15min suggested to setup and pack up. And it's just barriers and a wheeled on rostrum.

- The carpet/floor is not smooth enough for 1/12th realistically

- zero facilities in terms of food/drink etc (but a servo/maccas is close by)

Numbers for Onroad a very low (but Canberra population is not massive) at the moment. Both Onroad and off run once per month.

Starting with a hire situation like above is probably a better proposition to start.

You won't find anywhere near 150 people even in Sydney.
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Not sure where to post this..
As you know Sydney no longer has an indoor carpet facility for rc cars. The only way I can ever see this happening is if its run purely as a non profit organisation/club. This would require atleast 150 members as a miniumum paying $30 per month in order to lease a warehouse type space in order to facilitate and cover costs of rent/expenses etc. In return menbers would get a key/code to use the facility any time. It could also be used as a venue open to the public with funds earned going back into the club to help cover costs. Looking for feedback as to whether you think this would be possible and also whether you would be prepared to commit $30 per month for full access 24/7. It can only be possible with a large number of members.

Cheers
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A subscription based model is great, there'd be some people that would be prepared to spend $50 a month however the facility has to be inviting and continually evolving the "racers' experience to entice them there as often as possible. And the investment to do so is substantially higher than the $4,500 you'd generate a month unfortunately. [QUOTE]



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The problem is that there was a facility not 4 months ago, open everyday and you could drive to your hearts extent for $20, had on road and off-road available with a hobby shop, and food and drink. yet people weren't willing to pay to go to that and subsequently it closed down. I am all for a carpet facility in New South Wales, unfortunately i was also on of about 10-15 people who actually supported the last club until the end.
By all means had a lot going for it, and it was sad to see it go. It ticked a lot of the boxes for an inviting facility, Drinks, Snacks, Clean Toilets, Shop, however failed on the most crucial aspect of a proper surface that the rest of the world use, and it made it virtually impossible to "enjoy" driving a touring car around there and perhaps I'm wrong but TC would be a little bigger than 12th scale in terms of numbers right?

It's like FB targeting the 80 + demographic vs 16 - 40 demographic, you need to cater for your audience and unfortunately, RCA didn't do that. And sadly even if they did, I don't believe that would have made any difference to its survival anyway. But it would have had a lot more foot traffic than what it did.

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I'm familiar with it. There was lots of interest when it opened. The problem with full time permanent facilities in Sydney is that they have to race very often to try and pay the rent. This burns the racers out and the numbers fall off. When the numbers fall off it's less fun for racers, meaning fewer again turn up. It's a death spiral.

Racing any more than weekly, even if it is two different disciplines is really too much to maintain the numbers that are needed for a healthy racing scene.
I think you summarize it very well here Dan, only thing I would add is that in order to remain attractive, you need to keep innovating and improving the racers experience. But yes very hard to be viable.
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- It takes longer than the 15min suggested to setup and pack up. And it's just barriers and a wheeled on rostrum.
The choice of barricades is important. I costed CRC Click Track when the dollar was valued higher. It would have been worth the cost. The other important thing is how many people help with the set-up. There are time lapse videos of a US club setting up on YouTube. They do it very quickly but just about everyone is helping.
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Hey Guys,

I just stumbled on this thread and appears to be an old thread. I too am intrested in an indoor carpet track for off-road vehicle's 1/8 in particular. Got into it when the outdoor R/C track in lansvale Sydney was suitable for use few years ago. So looks like the only hope is RC Wonderland community to create a track.

I have also been thinking how to create a viable indoor track. Otherwise it may be time to sell up and leave the hobby completely.

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Any more news or developments on this idea? I'd be happy to get involved in a track in Sydney
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Any more news or developments on this idea? I'd be happy to get involved in a track in Sydney
There is a track in Newcastle, i believe its call Undercover RC. They now have a
Carpet offroad track. Not sure on the Size of it, I Believe they are running a race night next Saturday the 10th.

But you can find them on facebook to find out more.

They also have a 1/10th drift track.
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Originally Posted by 96smith View Post
There is a track in Newcastle, i believe its call Undercover RC. They now have a
Carpet offroad track. Not sure on the Size of it, I Believe they are running a race night next Saturday the 10th.

But you can find them on facebook to find out more.

They also have a 1/10th drift track.
Visited this place while visiting family , its in Rutherford(i live in qld). Brilliant facility and track. Toy store flows into the rc store which opens up into the track area. Nice big drivers stand which overlooks the drift track as well. nice setup of tables, lighting and power under the drivers stand. Took my 1/10th buggy there and loved it. my brother and cousin didnt have there rc cars with them so they hired some traxxas slashes. Was so happy with the place that i went back the next day. also has a food stand and playground.
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