Your Opinions Please! Re: Pit Stops, 8th Scale Buggy, Truggy, Nitro, Electric
03-19-2008, 07:08 AM
#46
[QUOTE=Balzonya;4272181] That is the Gayist thing /QUOTE]
What's wrong with being gay?
What's wrong with being gay?
03-19-2008, 07:08 AM
#47
[QUOTE=Balzonya;4272181] That is the Gayist thing [QUOTE]
What's wrong with being gay?
What's wrong with being gay?
03-19-2008, 08:21 AM
#48
How long can the electric go before the batteries need to be replaced ? If it is 15 minutes, and the main is 30 minutes, and it takes say 1 minute to replace the batteries, I think the nitro guys should be forced to take a 1 minute pit stop at the 15 minute mark. That is similar to what is being forced on the electric guys here. What if somebody releases a nitro motor that is $1000 but can go 15 minutes on a tank, does he have to stop at the 7 minute mark also ?
There is one huge flaw with the above logic. If im not mistaken this is a NITRO series? Why would the Nitro vehicles, have to make concessions, for the electric, in a Nitro race? So how is anything being forced on electric cars running in a nitro race? Sounds like a 3 to 4 sec. stop and go sounds fair. And I have nothing against brushless 1/8th scale electric. I think it would be awesome to be able to run it indoors over the winter.
I think that it would be bad for clubs, another class split. Before the truggy class came about it was not uncommon to have a full a, b and even a handful in c mains in 1/8 buggy. Now there is the same 20-30 guys racing but in two different classes, not that that is bad but if split the classes up again we would end up racing the same 6 guys all day.
I say run what ever you want, at the end of the day it is all about having fun.
I say run what ever you want, at the end of the day it is all about having fun.
- because of low turnout for the class (which is the biggest catch-22 I've ever heard, but that's another story). So by splitting up BL and nitro buggy and truggy, we'll end up running a dozen classes with a couple of cars in each. We might as well be doing single car time trials, kinda like Gas Truck is now 
03-19-2008, 08:29 AM
#49
just do what you want, you cant seem to tell the budzeen anything, he knows it all and is NEVER wrong.....
make the rules and the racers will decide if they want to race......
make the rules and the racers will decide if they want to race......
03-19-2008, 09:55 AM
#50
Nitro
Look at it this way, if you were to try and take a nitro to race in the electric class do you think everyone running electric would have an issue with? You bet! If it is a Nitro series then it should be a Nitro series. Everyone faces the same issues with motors. If it is an electric series/class it should be an electric class, very one faces the same issues with the batteries they choose or allowed to run.
03-19-2008, 09:58 AM
#52
Geo's point about the BL race he had was pointing out an obvious advantage that the BL car had. If you know Geo, you know he is one of the better 1/8th racers anywhere around. John W is also a great driver but he would agree that he had a clear advantage to be able to stay with Geo while using a dated chassis on a rough track.
another point regarding BL, reverse. BL systems are reverse capable and I have seen it applied during racing. There should be a no warning 1 lap penalty for using reverse. Long marshalling is something we all have to deal with and can even result in a flameout.
BL should be embraced as it is very likely going to grow but it's advantages need to be countered so that it can be raced fairly with Nitro until it's a big enough class to be run on it's own. It is not right now...
another point regarding BL, reverse. BL systems are reverse capable and I have seen it applied during racing. There should be a no warning 1 lap penalty for using reverse. Long marshalling is something we all have to deal with and can even result in a flameout.
BL should be embraced as it is very likely going to grow but it's advantages need to be countered so that it can be raced fairly with Nitro until it's a big enough class to be run on it's own. It is not right now...
03-19-2008, 10:33 AM
#53
Tech Elite
Geo I am impressed that you went out to your car and got those CD's out of the changer so you could post the artists on here 
03-19-2008, 10:40 AM
#54
True true, but the real question is how do we go about doing that? I think we all agree mandating pit stops is a good idea. As for out on the track, I dunno, maybe a gear rule? MWNX Summer Legends did pretty good by limiting the range of pinion gears drivers could choose from to even up BL-versus-brushed cars, the idea might carry over to BL versus nitro. With some experimenting we could come up with a gear ratio that'll have the BL cars hanging right with the nitros, and allow only pinion gears that come within plus or minus a couple teeth of that ratio.
03-19-2008, 10:50 AM
#55
[QUOTE=OTE_TheMissile;4276173] I think we all agree mandating pit stops is a good idea. /QUOTE]
No we don't.
No we don't.
03-19-2008, 03:05 PM
#56
I think Just do them both heads up against each other with no pits for the electrics and compare the lap times from the nitro and electric and if there is clear advantage for the electrics then start with the pits or something. Driver ability is another factor also. You have fast guy's running nitro and there might be some fast guy's running electric. I think it will be a figure it out as you go type thing to keep it fair and competitive.
03-19-2008, 06:00 PM
#57
True true, but the real question is how do we go about doing that? I think we all agree mandating pit stops is a good idea. As for out on the track, I dunno, maybe a gear rule? MWNX Summer Legends did pretty good by limiting the range of pinion gears drivers could choose from to even up BL-versus-brushed cars, the idea might carry over to BL versus nitro. With some experimenting we could come up with a gear ratio that'll have the BL cars hanging right with the nitros, and allow only pinion gears that come within plus or minus a couple teeth of that ratio.
03-19-2008, 06:25 PM
#58
I want to throw some ideas out there for you guys. Here is what the Pro Series is doing for the Electric vehicles:
1st - All Electric Vehicles must pit. There is no time limit. You come in, your pit guy picks you up, sets you on the wood, then puts you back out.
2nd - There is a set battery voltage for each class be it 7.4v, 14.8v, or what ever.
3rd - Electric vehicles must meet the weight requirements for the Nitro class. Im not sure how much of a weight diff an Electric Buggy would have over a Nitro but I would have to think that there is some.
I dont think it really makes much sense to recreate the wheel. Carlton over at the Pro Series I would think put some sort of thought into allowing Electrics to run with the Nitros and this is not just at the state level you could go to a National Pro Series event and compete in either the MT or 1/10 Truck class with an Electric Vehicle.
Also Electric guys you have to understand that they are coming into a Nitro Series. So the sucky part for you is you are going to have to play by the Nitro rules be it what ever they are. Pit stop, weight, and so on.
It would be no diff if a Nitro were to run in an Electric event. You are not going to change the rules. They are going to have to pit, and probably are going to weigh a whole heck of alot more.
Like David said the 1/8 Electric will grow. We have to just make the two work until it does.
1st - All Electric Vehicles must pit. There is no time limit. You come in, your pit guy picks you up, sets you on the wood, then puts you back out.
2nd - There is a set battery voltage for each class be it 7.4v, 14.8v, or what ever.
3rd - Electric vehicles must meet the weight requirements for the Nitro class. Im not sure how much of a weight diff an Electric Buggy would have over a Nitro but I would have to think that there is some.
I dont think it really makes much sense to recreate the wheel. Carlton over at the Pro Series I would think put some sort of thought into allowing Electrics to run with the Nitros and this is not just at the state level you could go to a National Pro Series event and compete in either the MT or 1/10 Truck class with an Electric Vehicle.
Also Electric guys you have to understand that they are coming into a Nitro Series. So the sucky part for you is you are going to have to play by the Nitro rules be it what ever they are. Pit stop, weight, and so on.
It would be no diff if a Nitro were to run in an Electric event. You are not going to change the rules. They are going to have to pit, and probably are going to weigh a whole heck of alot more.
Like David said the 1/8 Electric will grow. We have to just make the two work until it does.
03-19-2008, 06:29 PM
#59
Ok, I have a new twist on this "mandatory pit stop" idea. This idea was phoned in to me a couple hours ago. One problem exists with trying to enforce the mandatory pit rule...that is the arguments and finger pointing that could happen afterward when one person accuses another person of not pitting when they really did...or not pitting long enough. Here is the solution...figure out the pit times ( let's call it 8 minutes, 5 seconds each ) then do a "stagger start" in the beginning of the race...holding back the electric cars that total amount of time. For example, for a 20 minute race, there would be two pit stops for anybody that can go 8 minutes between.
So when the horn blows on the 8th Scale Buggy A-Main, and all the Nitro cars take off...the electric cars hold back for 10 full seconds...then another horn blows and then you have the entire race to kick but, and nobody has to police the pit stops because you've already served your time.
So when the horn blows on the 8th Scale Buggy A-Main, and all the Nitro cars take off...the electric cars hold back for 10 full seconds...then another horn blows and then you have the entire race to kick but, and nobody has to police the pit stops because you've already served your time.
03-19-2008, 06:43 PM
#60
Let the nitro guys use larger gas tanks when Blipo's enter the class.