Vinyard <--- Liar ### Theif ### part 2 w/o foul language..

[Speed_Racer]

I'm sorry about part 1(Vinyard <--- Liar ### Theif ###) but I'm getting sick and tired of these people that think they could scam others and ruin it for other honest people. I have had many great deals on RCtech that have been 10 times the amount of this engine and never had problems..


Watch out for this theif and liar..

I replied to his post http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthr...67&page=1&pp=30 for the "Also for sale is a Novarossi NS12R engine (bearings changed) for $100" and just to make sure what engine it was since there is no NS12R engine.. I sent him a PM

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

Its this engine right http://www.novarossi.com/eng/motori/nsr12s5.htm

How would you rate the compression from 0-10? conrod and crank pin in good condition? I really dont want to buy some one else trash... I bet you know what I mean.

Originally Posted by Vinyard

Yupz that the engine. I would rate the compression on the scale of 8. Its well taken care of, no worries.

i have a reputation at stake..

By the way, what kinda of pictures you like to see? the inside of the engine? No worries i can wait till next week when i received payment of $90.

U can paypal me mechachrome@yahoo.com

Cheers
Daniel .

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

So before I paid him I asked him again..
How long does it take to get here? So you said its a 8 on compression and everything else is perfect right? Crankshaft and con-rod in good condition?? I will send payment as soon as I get a reply..

Thanks

Originally Posted by Vinyard

It takes about 9-11 days to get to u.

yes the compression is an 8 and everything esle is perfect. the bearings has been replaced so no worries.

Thanks again

After I paid him.. I noticed that in the subject of the PM he had NS12S5. I asked him one more time to make sure it was the R version

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

Payment sent. It is the NSR version right??

and he changed it all around and said no it is not...

Originally Posted by Vinyard

It is the NS 12 S5 as per the subject.

the NSR is the later version.

will ship it out tonight.

Thanks

I said what the heck I just take it even though.

When I got the engine I took it apart to make sure it was it perfect condition and WOW substancial amount of scratches on the piston...(pics below). I sent him a PM

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

Got the engine in today and took it apart and noticed the piston has substancial amount of scratches due to unadequate filteration... Why was I not notofied about this.

Originally Posted by Vinyard

i showed the pictures to the guy in my LHS who change the bearings for me. He had no idea how it happened too. He told me the scratches are fine, from the looks of the pics. As long the lining on the sleeves are good it is ok.

Why not you try running the engine first?

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

I did not pay $90 to get an engine with scratches all over the piston.. Please take care of this matter..

Originally Posted by Vinyard

Hi Speed,

Frankly speaking i do not have any idea if the piston was scratched. However, all said and done, i showed you the pictures and even made a mistake in the model of the engine. I did asked if it is ok, and you went ahead with the deal. In addition, its is afterall a second hand engine. Personally i do not expect a brand new looking 2nd hand engine. I have also purchase just ran-in engines and it failed right after i tired it. I do not have grouses over the seller.. bcoz i accept the terms and pictures they have shown me. I just have to be extra careful the next time round.

besides all the years of engine experiences i have not seen a non-scratched pistons (slighty scratched) in all the engines that i have used. And definately they are well taken care of and filtered.

I have been in rctech for a pretty long time now, and i wun want to be scamming people if you think thats what i am doing. I know alot of people and they can vouch for me.

It is pretty unfortunate in this case, and the truth is i really do not know about the suppose scratches.

Tell me how you want me take care of this matter but i cant promise that i be able to do that.

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

Frankly... You showed me pictures of the outside and there was NO way I could have seen the scratches... I was never told about the scratches. If I knew it was the condition it is in.. I would NOT buy it.

If you have had so much experience with nitro engines.. then why would you give the engine to your LHS to change your bearings? Why didn't you take it apart to check it out before you sold it? To make sure your reputation does not get ruined.. I have a feeling that you knew about the scratches and did not disclose it.


Bottom line... You sold me an engine with substancial amount of scratches on the piston without me being notified... Now you tell me what you want to do to take care of this matter..

Originally Posted by Vinyard

and to add on there is no way the piston can have such bad scratches. It has only done 2 litres including one race.


The engine had only been ran 2 gallons

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

LOL.. Are you calling me a liar? It doesn't matter how many litres it has. You could get it all scratched up on your first run...

This is ridicilious... Why can't you accept that you sent me an engine that has scratches... and I was never notified...

Originally Posted by Vinyard

bcoz the truth is i know nuthin abt it. simple.

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

Thats no excuse. You should check it before you sell it!!!!

What is wrong with you?? It is very simple.. You sold me an engine that has substancial amount of scratches on the piston....... I was NOT NOTIFIED!

SIMPLE!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Vinyard

and over here now u are doubtin my integrity!

So I just decided that I should see if the engine would run. Took it out to Crystal Park on Sat and the engine would run very erratic without me even getting a chance to run the car on the track (I had people there that tried everything to get it to run). I took the engine out and noticed that it was leaking major from the front bearing hence the erattic behavior.. I came home and was so frustrated. He stated clearly that the bearings were replaced but they were NOT... I sent him a nice PM.

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

Integrity??? What integrity you talking about??? I just TRYED to run your engine today and guess what buddy??? The front bearing is leaking big time and making the engine run erratic.. Couldn't even get it to idle without flaming out.

You stated this to be a good condtion but all I got was junk...

You better take care of this before I file a charge back on my Credit Card Co...

Im sick and tired of you giving me your BS!!

Now he is dening everything and basiclly telling me to take a hike..

Originally Posted by Vinyard

The engine was running just fine up to the last time it was used. There piston did not have the scratches shown in the picture you sent. You can file whatever you want. I sent a working engine to you, I do not know what you did to it. You keep saying you want me to take care of it, I think you just want a free engine. I will not entertain you anymore.

I know that I got a used engine but I was expecting an engine with the bearings replaced and no scratches...exactly as he described...

Becarful guys...
Look at the pics.. You could even see the bearing ball.. lol.

[Speed_Racer]

He proposed to send me a brand new bag of bearings but I will not trust him to send something new. The engine was suppose to come with brand new bearing and it didn't. How would I expect to get new bearings. As far as I'm concerned he could send me beat up bearings or not send it at all and say he did.. The only thing I will accept if he send me a refund enough to get the bearings and pinch the sleeve to get it exactly as he described. I will not settle for anything else. Am I really being irrational? All I want is what I was promised, nothing more nothing less. Bottom Line...

[PD2]

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

The only thing I will accept if he send me a refund enough to get the bearings and pinch the sleeve to get it exactly as he described. I will not settle for anything else. Am I really being irrational? All I want is what I was promised, nothing more nothing less. Bottom Line...

I think that is more than fair and its exactly what I suggested to alleviate this issue - all you have to do is settle on what the price of the bearings will be and how much OS Rocket will charge for it and just send you the refund. Bearings and pinching is not that expensive and quickly resolves the issue and every one gets what they want, right?

PD2

Collection jar = $.08

[Speed_Racer]

Originally Posted by PD2

I think that is more than fair and its exactly what I suggested to alleviate this issue - all you have to do is settle on what the price of the bearings will be and how much OS Rocket will charge for it and just send you the refund. Bearings and pinching is not that expensive and quickly resolves the issue and every one gets what they want, right?

PD2

Collection jar = $.08

Exactly.. Thanks PD2

[bigmo_rc10]

why are you wanting to get it pinched if it just needs a new bearing?

[Speed_Racer]

because he stated that the compression was an 8 but there is no compression...

[bigmo_rc10]

how are you determing compression...with the p/s out of the engine?

with it in and a glo plug installed?

[Speed_Racer]

Originally Posted by bigmo_rc10

how are you determing compression...with the p/s out of the engine?

with it in and a glo plug installed?

Everything installed. I don't think there is a way to check the compression w/o the P/S and glow plug installed.

This is not my first nitro engine. I have many engines and I do know how to check the compression.

[drew85]

Well check the compresion and tell us what it is.

[Vinyard]

Originally Posted by Speed_Racer

He proposed to send me a brand new bag of bearings but I will not trust him to send something new. The engine was suppose to come with brand new bearing and it didn't. How would I expect to get new bearings. As far as I'm concerned he could send me beat up bearings or not send it at all and say he did.. The only thing I will accept if he send me a refund enough to get the bearings and pinch the sleeve to get it exactly as he described. I will not settle for anything else. Am I really being irrational? All I want is what I was promised, nothing more nothing less. Bottom Line...

For the upmteen times.. bearings were changed before sending to you. and there is no hole in the bearings seal which u showed in the other thread.

What kinda of a stunt are you trying to pull now?

I still stand at shipping u new Novarossi bearings or 25bucks which OS rocket charges for pinching. If its pinching i wanna see prove that the sleeve was sent there.

I will not reply anymore till you made your decision.

[CrayonShinChan]

Originally Posted by bigmo_rc10

why are you wanting to get it pinched if it just needs a new bearing?

Pinching charge + Bearings cost + Shipping cost almost close to what he paid for the engine.

[Speed_Racer]

Originally Posted by Vinyard

For the upmteen times.. bearings were changed before sending to you. and there is no hole in the bearings seal which u showed in the other thread.

What kinda of a stunt are you trying to pull now?

I still stand at shipping u new Novarossi bearings or 25bucks which OS rocket charges for pinching. If its pinching i wanna see prove that the sleeve was sent there.

I will not reply anymore till you made your decision.

LOL... There is no stunt.. How many times should I tell you.. Why would I try to pull a stunt like that with your $90 engine where I have done deals 10 times that and everything went smooth. If you want proof why don't you PM nitro-mech and ask him how much I spent with him.. I hope he chimes in and lets everyone know that I'm no scam artist like you. You are the only one here that is trying to pull a stunt.

Like I said and other people suggested. Either send me a refund so I could change the bearings and get it pinched to get it as described or I will file a charge back.

[Speed_Racer]

Originally Posted by CrayonShinChan

Pinching charge + Bearings cost + Shipping cost almost close to what he paid for the engine.

That is why you need to be honest when you sell something...

[Speed_Racer]

I will give you till Monday to refund me. If not then I will file a charge back. I'm giving you a chance to make this right..

[PD2]

OK.

Sounds like Speed wants refund of money for BOTH a pinch and bearings.

Vinyard wants Speed to choose between him sending him brand new bearings or refunding him the costs of pinching the engine.

Some where in the middle is where you guys need to come to an agreeable compromise or term to settle this and move on.

It sounds like neither side wants to budge. And from the sounds of it from Speed, unless he gets what he wants he is gonna file to reverse charges on his credit card, etc.

I mean, technically, you guys are close to resolving this. All you guys have to do is come to common ground on what is agreeable.

Work it out........

Good luck!
PD2