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Old 04-11-2009, 11:27 AM   #331
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Where can i find info on Orion Vortex BL motor? Like Kv or watt rating? I m particularly interested in mod like 4.0t or lower.
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Old 04-11-2009, 01:30 PM   #332
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Hi Joe,

I was hoping to get this clarified. I have a couple of 4.0t along with the optional rotors (type 1, 3, 4). From the posts to date, the version I have is V2 or V1.5 (depending on what classification system is used)

V1/V2/V3
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V1/V1.5/V2



Timing:
Is the centre mark (long dash) = zero degrees timing and is each mark approx. 4degrees?



My motor from factory was set as shown.




Is this correct? as that would indicate it is set at approx 10degrees of timing (positive/advanced)

Thanks,

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Old 04-14-2009, 08:53 AM   #333
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Wher's all the factory help? It's pretty hard trying to promote product by myself out here in Norcal. No one out here runs Orion anymore because too many questions are going un answered. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:50 PM   #334
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I didn't reply because I don't know what value the lines have. In my days of running TC I always had the timing turned clockwise 2 lines from stock. that was with a 4.5 though. Hope it helps. PS. I'm no factory driver, but I race with some.
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each line is 3.6 degrees but i still dont know if the center line is zero
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Hi Joe,

I was hoping to get this clarified. I have a couple of 4.0t along with the optional rotors (type 1, 3, 4). From the posts to date, the version I have is V2 or V1.5 (depending on what classification system is used)

V1/V2/V3
or
V1/V1.5/V2



Timing:
Is the centre mark (long dash) = zero degrees timing and is each mark approx. 4degrees?



My motor from factory was set as shown.




Is this correct? as that would indicate it is set at approx 10degrees of timing (positive/advanced)

Thanks,

Leonard.
also that is v1.5. v2 has the mark on bottom of can.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:14 PM   #337
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The centerline on the brushless motors is not zero. I am not sure of a single R/C motor that has the motor at 0 degrees of timing. If they did, they would be slugs.
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The centerline on the brushless motors is not zero. I am not sure of a single R/C motor that has the motor at 0 degrees of timing. If they did, they would be slugs.

How would you physically measure the timing then (actual zero)? Or is the factory set timing advance determined by the sensor itself.

I would love to know how much advance i'm actually running with full boost on my Tekin
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You basically need to measure your motor's no load current. Neutral timing is when your no load current value is lowest.
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Where can i find info on Orion Vortex BL motor? Like Kv or watt rating? I m particularly interested in mod like 4.0t or lower.
Anybody? I m still looking for this info....
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You basically need to measure your motor's no load current. Neutral timing is when your no load current value is lowest.
ok guys i had some down time at work today. so i called team orion usa. i spoke with one of there technical advisers and was told that the center line on the vortex is indeed 0 degrees timing he also said that you can make sure of this by checking that the letter b on the endbell lines up with the center tab. that is zero. i checked all my motors and when the letter b is lined up with the center tab the timing mark is dead center. this is also pretty much for any brushless motor mystery solved hope this helps.
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ok guys i had some down time at work today. so i called team orion usa. i spoke with one of there technical advisers and was told that the center line on the vortex is indeed 0 degrees timing he also said that you can make sure of this by checking that the letter b on the endbell lines up with the center tab. that is zero. i checked all my motors and when the letter b is lined up with the center tab the timing mark is dead center. this is also pretty much for any brushless motor mystery solved hope this helps.
I'll do you one better and this goes for any motor. Turn the timing full counter clock wise mark the spot...turn full clock wise and mark the spot. Measure these two points and then divide in half and there's your middle point. This should work for any motor.
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ok guys i had some down time at work today. so i called team orion usa. i spoke with one of there technical advisers and was told that the center line on the vortex is indeed 0 degrees timing he also said that you can make sure of this by checking that the letter b on the endbell lines up with the center tab. that is zero. i checked all my motors and when the letter b is lined up with the center tab the timing mark is dead center. this is also pretty much for any brushless motor mystery solved hope this helps.
Great detective work there! muchly appreciated.



Now i feel like its not guess work anymore!
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Great detective work there! muchly appreciated.



Now i feel like its not guess work anymore!
hey myan. i run the tekin rs at max boost for my 13.5 and 17.5 with the timing at center. i feel it runs the best with this combo
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last weekend i lost one of my two orion vortex08 4.0t motors to an overheating issue. strange thing was i was running both motors at the same ratio + timing(in this case same timing means i lined up the timing mark on the back plate with the centre mark on the can) in the same car. one seemed more then happy but the other gave up last weekend. when checking up i found one difference between the two motors was the timing mark. the motor(1) that gave up had the timing mark as this motor had.
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but the other motor(2) had the timing on the backplate very close to where it narrows at the relief for the poles to come out.
so basically either the motor1 had lots of positive timing on it or motor2 had negative timing on it.

have other people compared timing mark locations?
is the timing mark checked to be zero timing and is it on purpose or is it a production tolerance thing and thus the timing mark location cannot be trusted?
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