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Old 03-23-2009, 02:55 PM   #286
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how is it updated whats the diff?
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there is no v3.. we just call it a v3 cause its the updated v2.
so does that mean if it doesnt have the marking on the bottom of the sensor plug then its not the updated v2 also does this apply to the 17.5 and 13.5 stock spec or only the "race" motors. thanx
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so does that mean if it doesnt have the marking on the bottom of the sensor plug then its not the updated v2 also does this apply to the 17.5 and 13.5 stock spec or only the "race" motors. thanx
it will say it on the side of the can. also the box that the motor comes in say version 2.
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Old 03-24-2009, 06:12 AM   #289
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Hey guys,

I need some advice on the tuning rotors (I have the set) for my 08 stockspec 17.5 motor in my TRF 416. I run on a little asphalt track at night:

Pic of track (zoom in a bit)
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&s...01486&t=h&z=20

I've geared the car to acheve a FDR of approx 4.3 which it seemed to be most happy (68degC after the run). I'm still struggling to keep with the other guys at the front running pro duos and losi 17.5's. Which rotor would be most appropriate for my track? I though being the 'rpm' rotor that it would give me a little more towards the end of the straight. Hopefully this is the right place to ask.

Thanks in advance,
Steve

BTW. I have a Tekin rs pro with the boost up to max (0 timing on the motor itself).
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:32 AM   #290
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Hey guys,

I need some advice on the tuning rotors (I have the set) for my 08 stockspec 17.5 motor in my TRF 416. I run on a little asphalt track at night:

Pic of track (zoom in a bit)
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&s...01486&t=h&z=20

I've geared the car to acheve a FDR of approx 4.3 which it seemed to be most happy (68degC after the run). I'm still struggling to keep with the other guys at the front running pro duos and losi 17.5's. Which rotor would be most appropriate for my track? I though being the 'rpm' rotor that it would give me a little more towards the end of the straight. Hopefully this is the right place to ask.

Thanks in advance,
Steve

BTW. I have a Tekin rs pro with the boost up to max (0 timing on the motor itself).
I've never run the 17.5 but I was told that they got the same results as the testing we were doing with the 10.5. The best rotor is the stock one. We spent a whole day running different timing, rotors, and gearing. You might want to try a new battery or speedo. I've never run the Tekin but I'm really happy with my Orion ESC.
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:05 AM   #291
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I decided to give the Orion Race 10.5 a try. I was running Orion Race Spec ESC and Hacker 10.5 in my ZX-5 FS. Hacker would come off the track after 10 minutes 145-150. I installed Orion 10.5(timing at 0) and left everything else the same. ZX was Slooooowwww! Ran 5-6 laps and pulled it off, motor was 158 degrees!

Could I have a bad motor out of the the box? Timing marks are on the side, so I assume that is the newer version.

What am I missing, help?

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I decided to give the Orion Race 10.5 a try. I was running Orion Race Spec ESC and Hacker 10.5 in my ZX-5 FS. Hacker would come off the track after 10 minutes 145-150. I installed Orion 10.5(timing at 0) and left everything else the same. ZX was Slooooowwww! Ran 5-6 laps and pulled it off, motor was 158 degrees!

Could I have a bad motor out of the the box? Timing marks are on the side, so I assume that is the newer version.

What am I missing, help?

David
The timing marks are all on the side. Every motor needs to be geared a little different. Set the timing clockwise 2 lines and try again. Check motor after a couple of laps.
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Any suggestions on where I should run the timing and FDR on a 10.5 for touring car using a KO speed control with stock profiles in it? The speed control is set at the touring car setting.
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Thx, for the quick response, I will try it tomorrow night at the track. Isn't increasing the timing going to generate even more heat and based on temps, I would assume I would have to drop a couple teeth, which would make it even slower.

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Thx, for the quick response, I will try it tomorrow night at the track. Isn't increasing the timing going to generate even more heat and based on temps, I would assume I would have to drop a couple teeth, which would make it even slower.

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Just do it. Watch your temps. And pay attention to the feel of the power. Everyone likes a different feel. Also I had a 10.5 that ran at 180* for 9 months before it exploded (air temp was 105*).
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Any suggestions on where I should run the timing and FDR on a 10.5 for touring car using a KO speed control with stock profiles in it? The speed control is set at the touring car setting.
I would say around 5.5. This is much shorter than most motors. Two lines clockwise.
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I would say around 5.5. This is much shorter than most motors. Two lines clockwise.
Thanks for the help..So turning the endbell clockwise would be retarding the timing?
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Thanks for the help..So turning the endbell clockwise would be retarding the timing?
Yes it would be. You have to keep the temps down. Try to stay around 150.
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I've never run the 17.5 but I was told that they got the same results as the testing we were doing with the 10.5. The best rotor is the stock one. We spent a whole day running different timing, rotors, and gearing. You might want to try a new battery or speedo. I've never run the Tekin but I'm really happy with my Orion ESC.
Hey thanks, I'll try it at racing tonight back to back and see what the results are in terms of lap pace. The speedy is brand new and is fantastic I would have got the Orion but it wasn't available when I needed it. But a new lipo is a must soon .

Cheers,
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Hey guys,

I need some advice on the tuning rotors (I have the set) for my 08 stockspec 17.5 motor in my TRF 416. I run on a little asphalt track at night:

Pic of track (zoom in a bit)
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&s...01486&t=h&z=20

I've geared the car to acheve a FDR of approx 4.3 which it seemed to be most happy (68degC after the run). I'm still struggling to keep with the other guys at the front running pro duos and losi 17.5's. Which rotor would be most appropriate for my track? I though being the 'rpm' rotor that it would give me a little more towards the end of the straight. Hopefully this is the right place to ask.

Thanks in advance,
Steve

BTW. I have a Tekin rs pro with the boost up to max (0 timing on the motor itself).
How did you figure zero timing on the Orion? Last weekend I set my RS to 30 boost using version 189 software and then I cranked the timing clockwise on the motor 4 marks from the stock timing. My motor felt flat all day vs the 10 boost with stock timing that I had been running. For the main I left the 30 boost timing and cranked the timing to 2 marks clockwise of stock timing. My motor immediately felt like life was breathed back into it and my top 20 lap average was .2 sec quicker than I had been running all day.

Perhaps the 4th timing mark clockwise on the can from stock timing is actually slightly negative timing? Or the Orion just likes some timing in the motor to run properly?
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