new losi 4wd buggy?????
#16
More 1/18th scale cars are sold than any other segment of the market right now. The Mini-LST should raise the bar for mini monsters and sell like hotcakes for Christmas.
The rear end parts that are being tried on the BK2 are more than just making it a BK1..companies have to test to learn, that's all they're doing. There is more to it than changing the tranny.
At the same time, what exactly is wrong with the MF2 tranny?
dakrat - Having never run the car, how can you assume that the engineers who built that car would overlook something that simple? It's pretty hard to tell how well a car works by looking at pictures of it.
The rear end parts that are being tried on the BK2 are more than just making it a BK1..companies have to test to learn, that's all they're doing. There is more to it than changing the tranny.
At the same time, what exactly is wrong with the MF2 tranny?
dakrat - Having never run the car, how can you assume that the engineers who built that car would overlook something that simple? It's pretty hard to tell how well a car works by looking at pictures of it.
#17
I would almost bet that the front arms are not much shorter than the XXX-4 arms, no one has noticed how they moved the outer pivot point out as far as they can. IT uses the C-hub and Spindles off the onroad cars. Along with the rear arms, they, I presume, are just slightly shorter but they too have the outer hinge pin moved out almost at the rim(prolly 1/4-3/8 farther out than the XXX-4), just not sure how much farther the inner is moved compared to the outer..
#18
There trying out the BK1 pivot because it's wider. It makes it better through bumps and stuff. Losi is doing it because they went ahead and designed a new buggy before finding out all the things they could do to tune the BK1.
#19
Originally Posted by RedFoxRacing
There trying out the BK1 pivot because it's wider. It makes it better through bumps and stuff. Losi is doing it because they went ahead and designed a new buggy before finding out all the things they could do to tune the BK1.
its a completely new combinaton of parts.
the BK1 was bettered by the BK2, now we are working on something new to make it better than both the previous BK cars.
#20
Tech Master
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yeah you are both wrong.
I talked with mike truhe a couple of weeks ago when he was at one of our local tracks for a series race.
They modified the bk2 with the bk1 tranny because the diff sits up higher. They did this to help gain rear grip for the worlds surface. They used the xx-cr rear pivot because because again, it raised the rear end a little more and yes, it was slightly wider. They also used xx-cr rear hubs, but I can't remember why.
I talked with mike truhe a couple of weeks ago when he was at one of our local tracks for a series race.
They modified the bk2 with the bk1 tranny because the diff sits up higher. They did this to help gain rear grip for the worlds surface. They used the xx-cr rear pivot because because again, it raised the rear end a little more and yes, it was slightly wider. They also used xx-cr rear hubs, but I can't remember why.
#21
o.s. power - How is what Doughty said "wrong"? Considering he is running the rear end that you bench racers obviously know more about than we do..
Running the BK1 pivot and the CR hubs is changing the pivot points of the suspension, dogbone angles and plunge, tire scrub, camber rise, and a few other things. Just because it has the BK1 pivot (which...other pivots have been tried) and the BK1 tranny doesn't mean that the BK2 was a mistake or that it's not any better or blah blah blah.
Losi is testing to learn. Let it be!
Running the BK1 pivot and the CR hubs is changing the pivot points of the suspension, dogbone angles and plunge, tire scrub, camber rise, and a few other things. Just because it has the BK1 pivot (which...other pivots have been tried) and the BK1 tranny doesn't mean that the BK2 was a mistake or that it's not any better or blah blah blah.
Losi is testing to learn. Let it be!
#22
Tech Legend
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ok guys, stop slapping and go back to your corners...
Lets get back on topic as this was an interesting thread to me at least.
I wouldn't mind seeing a new 4wd vehicle from Losi and who knows, they may make one based on the JRX-S since you could have some parts compatibility there.
Lets get back on topic as this was an interesting thread to me at least.
I wouldn't mind seeing a new 4wd vehicle from Losi and who knows, they may make one based on the JRX-S since you could have some parts compatibility there.
#23
Tech Master
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Originally Posted by Aaron Waldron
o.s. power - How is what Doughty said "wrong"? Considering he is running the rear end that you bench racers obviously know more about than we do..
Running the BK1 pivot and the CR hubs is changing the pivot points of the suspension, dogbone angles and plunge, tire scrub, camber rise, and a few other things. Just because it has the BK1 pivot (which...other pivots have been tried) and the BK1 tranny doesn't mean that the BK2 was a mistake or that it's not any better or blah blah blah.
Losi is testing to learn. Let it be!
Running the BK1 pivot and the CR hubs is changing the pivot points of the suspension, dogbone angles and plunge, tire scrub, camber rise, and a few other things. Just because it has the BK1 pivot (which...other pivots have been tried) and the BK1 tranny doesn't mean that the BK2 was a mistake or that it's not any better or blah blah blah.
Losi is testing to learn. Let it be!
#24
Yeah, and what I said was what a Losi driver at our local track told me.
#25
I, an unsponsored racer have put together one of the rear ends you guys speak of, the one with the bk2 outdrives/xxx tranny, cr block and the outer/inner deal. I must say I liked it, But found it rotated to much mid to exit corner, Which can be compensated with many things, I think Losi is definatly moving in the right direction. And when they find where they are suppose to be, I will no doubt try that car and see if I like it.
#26
Originally Posted by Cain
ok guys, stop slapping and go back to your corners...
Lets get back on topic as this was an interesting thread to me at least.
I wouldn't mind seeing a new 4wd vehicle from Losi and who knows, they may make one based on the JRX-S since you could have some parts compatibility there.
Lets get back on topic as this was an interesting thread to me at least.
I wouldn't mind seeing a new 4wd vehicle from Losi and who knows, they may make one based on the JRX-S since you could have some parts compatibility there.
I don't think you will see a production JRX-S based 4WD off-roader from Losi
#27
Tech Addict
When is the xx4 going to be re-released? I've heard much talk about it, but it hasn't been mentioned on Losi's site....yet. Will it be by this Christmas? Will there be new parts/design on the old car?
I too believe with the current world championship that 4WD is making a comeback. I don't believe it will ever be as big as rtr or possibly the minis that are selling really well right now, but that doesn't concern me. When 8-12 folks show up at a track with a 4WD buggy, I'm excited. That's more than enough to have a fun competitive race. Any more people that start showing up with 4WD to race is just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. I really hope to see lots more people running 4WD this winter at indoor off-road tracks.
I too believe with the current world championship that 4WD is making a comeback. I don't believe it will ever be as big as rtr or possibly the minis that are selling really well right now, but that doesn't concern me. When 8-12 folks show up at a track with a 4WD buggy, I'm excited. That's more than enough to have a fun competitive race. Any more people that start showing up with 4WD to race is just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. I really hope to see lots more people running 4WD this winter at indoor off-road tracks.
#30
just to tell u guys. 4wd classes are to me the best classes to see in races. they are 10 times quicker around the track then 2wd or stadium truck and it takes very good driver to win a class like that. they zip around my track like 1/8 scale buggies