Will running a brushless motor with no timing burn it up???
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Will running a brushless motor with no timing burn it up???
So I turned down the timing to 10 on a friends Reedy Mach2 17.5 motor and it smoked. The esc also burned up. He is saying it burned up since there was so little timing in it. The motor was smelling hot and coming off at 180 to 190 many runs before. Help me out!!!!
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He runs a hobby shop and said he called reedy and they said no timing caused it to smoke.
#6
Tech Adept
You could smoke a motor from lowering the timing, but only in an extreme situation, it would require some ridiculous gearing to do so, would be like trying to drive a car on the highway in 1st gear sort of scenario. Most likely what happened was that the enamel coating insulating the wire had been degrading due to excess heat, then it just happened to finally give up and short the winding after the timing adjustment, I've had motors throw cold smoke before because of this, I had previously stressed the insulation, then it was just a waiting game for it to finally short over.
#7
Tech Master
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Sounds like sour grapes.
If he runs a hobby shop, he should know better. The motor was abused for a while and by coincidence the motor shorted after reducing the timing. the only way it would overheat is if the timing was so far in the negative it was just short of running backwards.
If he runs a hobby shop, he should know better. The motor was abused for a while and by coincidence the motor shorted after reducing the timing. the only way it would overheat is if the timing was so far in the negative it was just short of running backwards.
#8
Tech Addict
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Sounds like sour grapes.
If he runs a hobby shop, he should know better. The motor was abused for a while and by coincidence the motor shorted after reducing the timing. the only way it would overheat is if the timing was so far in the negative it was just short of running backwards.
If he runs a hobby shop, he should know better. The motor was abused for a while and by coincidence the motor shorted after reducing the timing. the only way it would overheat is if the timing was so far in the negative it was just short of running backwards.
#9
Tech Elite
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Running a brushless motor with excessively retarded timing is not going to be good for performance, but I don't think it would cause it to burn. If the motor timing was so retarded to only 10 degrees of total timing, how was the motor getting so hot? Was it massively overgeared? No fan? Run for a half hour at race speed without a break?
#11
Tech Master
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Running a brushless motor with excessively retarded timing is not going to be good for performance, but I don't think it would cause it to burn. If the motor timing was so retarded to only 10 degrees of total timing, how was the motor getting so hot? Was it massively overgeared? No fan? Run for a half hour at race speed without a break?
Since the OP stated that it smelled and was hot many runs prior, the lamination finally broke down to the point where the stator shorted out and killed the ESC to boot. Oh yeah not to mention if a motor gets real hot frequently, the rotor will become degaussed and will cause the stator to draw too much current thus letting out the magic smoke.
#12
Tech Elite
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+1... It was just it's time.
Since the OP stated that it smelled and was hot many runs prior, the lamination finally broke down to the point where the stator shorted out and killed the ESC to boot. Oh yeah not to mention if a motor gets real hot frequently, the rotor will become degaussed and will cause the stator to draw too much current thus letting out the magic smoke.
Since the OP stated that it smelled and was hot many runs prior, the lamination finally broke down to the point where the stator shorted out and killed the ESC to boot. Oh yeah not to mention if a motor gets real hot frequently, the rotor will become degaussed and will cause the stator to draw too much current thus letting out the magic smoke.
#13
Tech Rookie
? I am with the original poster.
I have a reedy 8.5T.
I turned my timing down to about 10... And it stared to get real hot within 2-3 minutes of race driving- no matter what gearing I tried!!!
I turned timing back up to about 23... And presto... Runs cool. And I can run basically any gearing I want, same track, and it doesn't get NEAR AS HOT as when I TURNED DOWN THE TIMING ON MY REEDY 8.5T
Maybe some of you need more rc education.
#14
Tech Elite
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Lower timing should result in lower temperatures due to higher efficiency. Perhaps you should read this little article from Novak as it covers some of the basics of motor timing: http://teamnovak.com/tech_info/view_article/20
It is highly likely that something else is causing your motor to overheat. Why not try an experiment with a different motor to see the effects of timing changes on heat production within the motor. Gear the car to run at 160F at 0 degrees timing then keep the same gearing and move your endbell 10 degrees from heat to heat at your next race and see what happens.
It is highly likely that something else is causing your motor to overheat. Why not try an experiment with a different motor to see the effects of timing changes on heat production within the motor. Gear the car to run at 160F at 0 degrees timing then keep the same gearing and move your endbell 10 degrees from heat to heat at your next race and see what happens.