3LikesTeam Associated TC6.2 Touring Car
10-31-2014, 07:12 PM
#1501
^^^ That's intense 
So this fan situation. That it's a common failure, what's a person to do? Get a motor heat sink mounted one like I have on my TC6.1?
I picked up a replacement Muchmore at my LHS, however it was not a thick. It seems to have a similar RPM by sound, however I don't think it moves quite as much air. I also ordered a few Yeah Racing Tornados to have on hand as replacements.
For the Muchmore, I placed a small 1mm washer between the fan mount and the fan. I may try a 3mm. This should keep the fan blades from tagging the mount, which is what I'm sure happened last time.
1mm spacer
Compared to the Associated fan
I readjusted my chassis to Cartwright's settings, even though I'll have to do it all over once the Yokomo springs arrive. Surprisingly I wasn't too far off, with exception of the droop. Seems I had more droop than the 5.5 as I set it up as a ratio of ride height, as instructed by a fellow member. It was about 7-8mm
So this fan situation. That it's a common failure, what's a person to do? Get a motor heat sink mounted one like I have on my TC6.1?
I picked up a replacement Muchmore at my LHS, however it was not a thick. It seems to have a similar RPM by sound, however I don't think it moves quite as much air. I also ordered a few Yeah Racing Tornados to have on hand as replacements.
For the Muchmore, I placed a small 1mm washer between the fan mount and the fan. I may try a 3mm. This should keep the fan blades from tagging the mount, which is what I'm sure happened last time.
1mm spacer
Compared to the Associated fan
I readjusted my chassis to Cartwright's settings, even though I'll have to do it all over once the Yokomo springs arrive. Surprisingly I wasn't too far off, with exception of the droop. Seems I had more droop than the 5.5 as I set it up as a ratio of ride height, as instructed by a fellow member. It was about 7-8mm
11-01-2014, 04:50 AM
#1503
Thanks! I've had the car for a few months now, however just started running it.
Thanks! It's an Integy Universal Station. I really like it! I find it allows you to make toe adjustments with out the toe gauge getting in the way, or having to remove it to gain access to the toe links. Plus I like that it's made of aluminum, rather than clear plastic.
Last edited by ViperZ; 11-01-2014 at 05:31 AM.
11-01-2014, 11:49 AM
#1504
Three chassis shootout
After three days of testing the 6.2 and the T4'15 I want to share my experiences. The 6.1WC was tested last week already.
The fastest laps were: 10.3s for the 6.1, 10.0s for the 6.2 and 10.1s for the Xray. This seems to show a clear winner, but I am not sure about it. The 6.2 did its best time on thursday and was able to perform two 10.0, around ten 10.1 and a lot of 10.2.
Today the I drove an unchanged setup and could only manage some 10.2 laps. I then changed to the Xray; same battery, same tires, same esc and same motor. Motor and tires beeing identical.
The T4'15 was instantly easier to drive. I came off the track with a lot of 10.3s and very constant times between 10.4-10.5. After a few changes I had the Xray down to a fastest 10.1 several 10.2s evenly spread on the run and a lot of 10.3s.
So today the T4 was the fastest. Not sure what was up with the 6.2. While the Xray seems to have the potential to be a little faster, the 6.2 is at its limit now. The Xray can be better around a tenth/lap is my guess. Then we have hit a stalemate which is maybe just my limit as a driver.
The main difference for me is the setup work that was needed to achieve these laptimes. The Xray took a lot of less time and is very easy to drive, the car on track even looks more relaxed while the 6.2 looks flatter (less roll) and more agile.
What I do now: The 6.1 will become a beautiful BMW M3 E30 (again) to have fun with my non racing friends. The 6.2 will race the LRP-HPI-Challenge next weekend with the T4'15 as backup car.
The fastest laps were: 10.3s for the 6.1, 10.0s for the 6.2 and 10.1s for the Xray. This seems to show a clear winner, but I am not sure about it. The 6.2 did its best time on thursday and was able to perform two 10.0, around ten 10.1 and a lot of 10.2.
Today the I drove an unchanged setup and could only manage some 10.2 laps. I then changed to the Xray; same battery, same tires, same esc and same motor. Motor and tires beeing identical.
The T4'15 was instantly easier to drive. I came off the track with a lot of 10.3s and very constant times between 10.4-10.5. After a few changes I had the Xray down to a fastest 10.1 several 10.2s evenly spread on the run and a lot of 10.3s.
So today the T4 was the fastest. Not sure what was up with the 6.2. While the Xray seems to have the potential to be a little faster, the 6.2 is at its limit now. The Xray can be better around a tenth/lap is my guess. Then we have hit a stalemate which is maybe just my limit as a driver.
The main difference for me is the setup work that was needed to achieve these laptimes. The Xray took a lot of less time and is very easy to drive, the car on track even looks more relaxed while the 6.2 looks flatter (less roll) and more agile.
What I do now: The 6.1 will become a beautiful BMW M3 E30 (again) to have fun with my non racing friends. The 6.2 will race the LRP-HPI-Challenge next weekend with the T4'15 as backup car.
11-01-2014, 12:42 PM
#1505
These times are pretty much identical, and small differences in feel does not any chassis better than the other... It can be anything from different track temps to driver focus, but I doubt it has solely to do with the chassis....
11-01-2014, 01:56 PM
#1506
11-01-2014, 08:12 PM
#1508
Tech Regular
iTrader: (1)
Thanks! I've had the car for a few months now, however just started running it.
Thanks! It's an Integy Universal Station. I really like it! I find it allows you to make toe adjustments with out the toe gauge getting in the way, or having to remove it to gain access to the toe links. Plus I like that it's made of aluminum, rather than clear plastic.
Thanks! It's an Integy Universal Station. I really like it! I find it allows you to make toe adjustments with out the toe gauge getting in the way, or having to remove it to gain access to the toe links. Plus I like that it's made of aluminum, rather than clear plastic.
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11-02-2014, 12:59 AM
#1509
11-02-2014, 10:15 AM
#1510
So I bought a used 6.2 and I have gone through it and replaced stuff. Almost got it ready to go, but I have a few questions. To the RSD Aluminum chassis users: What kind of strapping tape are you using for the batteries? Mine tore after a slight bump, I used to use the same stuff on carbon chassis all the time, but I don't think it is going to work here. Also, any thing else I can use to keep the battery in place better, since the kit lipo braces don't fit the RSD chassis. If you use the light weight arms, what is a good starting place for setup? The geometry looks slightly different.
11-02-2014, 02:16 PM
#1511
Tech Adept
iTrader: (2)
Lower roll centers and a few other odds and ends. Just looking to carry more corner speed. The setup I ran last night was pretty fast and reset my track record. I had someone else try the same setup in the main and they were very happy with it also.
11-02-2014, 06:19 PM
#1512
After three days of testing the 6.2 and the T4'15 I want to share my experiences. The 6.1WC was tested last week already.
The fastest laps were: 10.3s for the 6.1, 10.0s for the 6.2 and 10.1s for the Xray. This seems to show a clear winner, but I am not sure about it. The 6.2 did its best time on thursday and was able to perform two 10.0, around ten 10.1 and a lot of 10.2.
Today the I drove an unchanged setup and could only manage some 10.2 laps. I then changed to the Xray; same battery, same tires, same esc and same motor. Motor and tires beeing identical.
The T4'15 was instantly easier to drive. I came off the track with a lot of 10.3s and very constant times between 10.4-10.5. After a few changes I had the Xray down to a fastest 10.1 several 10.2s evenly spread on the run and a lot of 10.3s.
So today the T4 was the fastest. Not sure what was up with the 6.2. While the Xray seems to have the potential to be a little faster, the 6.2 is at its limit now. The Xray can be better around a tenth/lap is my guess. Then we have hit a stalemate which is maybe just my limit as a driver.
The main difference for me is the setup work that was needed to achieve these laptimes. The Xray took a lot of less time and is very easy to drive, the car on track even looks more relaxed while the 6.2 looks flatter (less roll) and more agile.
What I do now: The 6.1 will become a beautiful BMW M3 E30 (again) to have fun with my non racing friends. The 6.2 will race the LRP-HPI-Challenge next weekend with the T4'15 as backup car.
The fastest laps were: 10.3s for the 6.1, 10.0s for the 6.2 and 10.1s for the Xray. This seems to show a clear winner, but I am not sure about it. The 6.2 did its best time on thursday and was able to perform two 10.0, around ten 10.1 and a lot of 10.2.
Today the I drove an unchanged setup and could only manage some 10.2 laps. I then changed to the Xray; same battery, same tires, same esc and same motor. Motor and tires beeing identical.
The T4'15 was instantly easier to drive. I came off the track with a lot of 10.3s and very constant times between 10.4-10.5. After a few changes I had the Xray down to a fastest 10.1 several 10.2s evenly spread on the run and a lot of 10.3s.
So today the T4 was the fastest. Not sure what was up with the 6.2. While the Xray seems to have the potential to be a little faster, the 6.2 is at its limit now. The Xray can be better around a tenth/lap is my guess. Then we have hit a stalemate which is maybe just my limit as a driver.
The main difference for me is the setup work that was needed to achieve these laptimes. The Xray took a lot of less time and is very easy to drive, the car on track even looks more relaxed while the 6.2 looks flatter (less roll) and more agile.
What I do now: The 6.1 will become a beautiful BMW M3 E30 (again) to have fun with my non racing friends. The 6.2 will race the LRP-HPI-Challenge next weekend with the T4'15 as backup car.
11-02-2014, 06:54 PM
#1513
I had a practice session today with the car set up to your posted Set-up Sheet. It ran very well, and with some minor adjustments to the TX radios settings, I was cutting much more consistent laps, with much lower lap times than last outing! I'm getting faster
I worked on my VTA car as well, although I didn't run it yet, I was just getting it set up. I'm really liking the look of this car and can't wait to run it!
Applying a bit more drag brake, helped me out on the TC6.2
To make up for the thinner replacement fan, I made a shroud. It seems to help as the temps were around 134F
Ready to roll!
Setting up the droop on the VTA
The TC6.1 as VTA
11-03-2014, 11:33 PM
#1514
Tech Apprentice
Not sure what surface your testing on, but tracks typically get better later in the day which could be good for well more than a tenth... When you factor how close you are in lap times between the two cars you could look into the price of replacement/tuning parts and AE should be a clear winner there.
11-04-2014, 08:27 AM
#1515
So I bought a used 6.2 and I have gone through it and replaced stuff. Almost got it ready to go, but I have a few questions. To the RSD Aluminum chassis users: What kind of strapping tape are you using for the batteries? Mine tore after a slight bump, I used to use the same stuff on carbon chassis all the time, but I don't think it is going to work here. Also, any thing else I can use to keep the battery in place better, since the kit lipo braces don't fit the RSD chassis. If you use the light weight arms, what is a good starting place for setup? The geometry looks slightly different.
Are you running asphalt or carpet ?
A good start for me is:
Front:
Front pins all the way narrow it the front, C hole on lower arm.
3x1.15 pistons 40 wt all around
Yoke Blue or RSD light blue spring for carpet HPI Silver or RSD gold for asphalt
Wheelbase with 4.5mm behind front arm. (I think)
Short camber link 2mm under link inside 1mm outside
1mm under all suspension mounts
Yellow swaybar
Rear
FR pins ( . ) ( . )
RR pins ( . ) ( . )
C hole on lower arm
3x1.15 piston 40wt oil
3000 wt in diff
Short link +3 outside +1 inside
1mm under all suspension mounts
Same springs as front
White swaybar