TC design talk.
#121
Motors in the wheel is something I have on my mind for a long time now.
Simple out runners that are used for indoor rc planes. You do get more weight in the suspension, but the possibilities are endless.
Everything will be in software and be dynamic.
Differential can be done in software based on the servo angle input.
Overdrive and under drive (what used to be a bigger or smaller pully) can be done while accelerating or braking.
Also brake harder front or back, esp etc.
4 small escs (or 4 in one) with small gauge wire. Imagine how much freedom you have in the car that only needs to house the esc(s), battery and steering servo.
Simple out runners that are used for indoor rc planes. You do get more weight in the suspension, but the possibilities are endless.
Everything will be in software and be dynamic.
Differential can be done in software based on the servo angle input.
Overdrive and under drive (what used to be a bigger or smaller pully) can be done while accelerating or braking.
Also brake harder front or back, esp etc.
4 small escs (or 4 in one) with small gauge wire. Imagine how much freedom you have in the car that only needs to house the esc(s), battery and steering servo.
#122
Tech Elite
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That's a good thought jmellipse.. Eliminate having a drive shaft all together, and just run two brushless motors in sync with each other providing direct power to the gear boxes. No need for spur gears and pinions. The motor shaft would act as the input shaft which the small gear will be mated to the differential ring gear. This would leave the middle of the chassis for electronic placement.
Just an idea : )
Just an idea : )
#123
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#124
Motors in the wheel is something I have on my mind for a long time now.
Simple out runners that are used for indoor rc planes. You do get more weight in the suspension, but the possibilities are endless.
Everything will be in software and be dynamic.
Differential can be done in software based on the servo angle input.
Overdrive and under drive (what used to be a bigger or smaller pully) can be done while accelerating or braking.
Also brake harder front or back, esp etc.
4 small escs (or 4 in one) with small gauge wire. Imagine how much freedom you have in the car that only needs to house the esc(s), battery and steering servo.
Simple out runners that are used for indoor rc planes. You do get more weight in the suspension, but the possibilities are endless.
Everything will be in software and be dynamic.
Differential can be done in software based on the servo angle input.
Overdrive and under drive (what used to be a bigger or smaller pully) can be done while accelerating or braking.
Also brake harder front or back, esp etc.
4 small escs (or 4 in one) with small gauge wire. Imagine how much freedom you have in the car that only needs to house the esc(s), battery and steering servo.
ESC/transmitter settings can then take care of diff action and I would imagine a simple dial would be enough to switch from spool to diff to limited slip/torque biasing. Endless possibilities.
#125
Tech Regular
People shout "cheat" with ESC that give boost or motors with supidly high timing built in, although the electronic diff sounds doable, it would need to be connected to the steering, it would be way too easy to build in some sort of gyro to assist the driver.
Also, modern R/C electronics are very reliable it is the only reason I have had any DNF's in a very long time, having two (or four) motors and the speedcontollers for them could result in too many faiure to be race worthy.
Bb
Also, modern R/C electronics are very reliable it is the only reason I have had any DNF's in a very long time, having two (or four) motors and the speedcontollers for them could result in too many faiure to be race worthy.
Bb
#126
To me, Tamiya is the only company that constantly thinks outside the box and actually produces a product. It may or may not be a hit, but at least they act on it. The DB02 and the TA06 is a prime example. After all, they brought the TA01 and the TRF414 to the world.
BTW, who decided that you cannot have a slipper clutch on TC?
BTW, who decided that you cannot have a slipper clutch on TC?
#127
Tech Master
To be exact, Peter Winton when he wrote the first draft of rules for touring cars way back in 1996, rules which were then ratified by the BRCA members (a majority vote by drivers in the UK) for racing in the UK, then copied by IFMAR and all other racing organisations around the world. So if you want someone to blame, then that's all of us who race in the UK.
At the time slipper clutches were only available as an expensive upgrade for the YR4 and HPI RS4 costing half the price of the car kit, and nothing else. Banning slippers meant there was one less option part that could be sold to us on top of the price of the chassis, and they weren't really necessary even back then when we had much harder tyres and less sophisticated chassis designs. They are even more pointless in touring car racing today, but if they were allowed everyone would be buying them anyway.
At the time slipper clutches were only available as an expensive upgrade for the YR4 and HPI RS4 costing half the price of the car kit, and nothing else. Banning slippers meant there was one less option part that could be sold to us on top of the price of the chassis, and they weren't really necessary even back then when we had much harder tyres and less sophisticated chassis designs. They are even more pointless in touring car racing today, but if they were allowed everyone would be buying them anyway.
#128
Tech Master
The low transmission with a low top deck chassis design lowers the CoG for better performance. Replacing the spur gear isn't that important, usually drivers will know what gear ratio to run at a specific track and if a spur gear is damaged it isn't that difficult to remove the layshaft in a modern chassis.
#129
Tech Master
The TC6, BD7, T4 are using a separate motor mount. I wonder if you could design a slider style motor mount now so that you could move the motor forward and backwards. I read on the Xray forums where Martin has hinted about creating an optional one that's very adjustable so I'm looking forward to what they have created.
#130
To be exact, Peter Winton when he wrote the first draft of rules for touring cars way back in 1996, rules which were then ratified by the BRCA members (a majority vote by drivers in the UK) for racing in the UK, then copied by IFMAR and all other racing organisations around the world. So if you want someone to blame, then that's all of us who race in the UK.
At the time slipper clutches were only available as an expensive upgrade for the YR4 and HPI RS4 costing half the price of the car kit, and nothing else. Banning slippers meant there was one less option part that could be sold to us on top of the price of the chassis, and they weren't really necessary even back then when we had much harder tyres and less sophisticated chassis designs. They are even more pointless in touring car racing today, but if they were allowed everyone would be buying them anyway.
At the time slipper clutches were only available as an expensive upgrade for the YR4 and HPI RS4 costing half the price of the car kit, and nothing else. Banning slippers meant there was one less option part that could be sold to us on top of the price of the chassis, and they weren't really necessary even back then when we had much harder tyres and less sophisticated chassis designs. They are even more pointless in touring car racing today, but if they were allowed everyone would be buying them anyway.
So I guess the general consensus is that the general designs of TC will not change for at least the next 10years. Why change something that works?
#131
ah, so that's what happened. I guess that shuts the door on the possibility of a center differential. But on-road touring defies several conventional vehicle tuning (like the use of a front spool), so a center diff might not do anything.
So I guess the general consensus is that the general designs of TC will not change for at least the next 10years. Why change something that works?
So I guess the general consensus is that the general designs of TC will not change for at least the next 10years. Why change something that works?
I contemplated the possibility and usefulness of having a front slipper clutch instead of the spool (my car doesn't have ECS driveshafts as an option) and still am. I think it would be a good compromise between having a spool but no ECS and set right it would be exactly the same minus the understeer.
#132
Tech Lord
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Hudy's latest column has some good info in it about what went into the design of the T4, and why they made the decisions they did.
Of particular interest to me was the part about the car stopping in the corners. That's what I felt every second I drove the T3'12, and Martin explained it perfectly. What's odd is many other people told me they never felt anything of the sort. So maybe it's an issue that's exposed by certain driving styles? I dunno. That car always felt so weird mid-corner. Perhaps that's fixed on the T4 now.
Of particular interest to me was the part about the car stopping in the corners. That's what I felt every second I drove the T3'12, and Martin explained it perfectly. What's odd is many other people told me they never felt anything of the sort. So maybe it's an issue that's exposed by certain driving styles? I dunno. That car always felt so weird mid-corner. Perhaps that's fixed on the T4 now.
#133
Tech Master
With the low weight of r/c cars what happens is all the power ends up being sent to the end of the car with lower grip, so when accelerating the power goes to the front wheels which leads to wheelspin, and under braking it brakes the rear wheels, so locking them up.
R/C cars use exactly the same dynamics as full size cars, it's just that the dynamics don't actually scale. Touring cars in full size would be a 4wd rally chassis, with about 1000hp and the weight of a kart.
#134
Tech Master
I contemplated the possibility and usefulness of having a front slipper clutch instead of the spool (my car doesn't have ECS driveshafts as an option) and still am. I think it would be a good compromise between having a spool but no ECS and set right it would be exactly the same minus the understeer.
http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/31174/
#135
Tech Addict
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Associated already make one.
http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/31174/
http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/31174/