TOP Photon front spool issues
#1
TOP Photon front spool issues
Hi all, i had an issue with the original front spool being that mine threaded on the left hand side so it kept slipping, i was looking around and found this
ROCHE - HEAVY DUTY SPOOL SET FOR PHOTON, VERSION 2
i purchased it from ROCHE.hk
(not letting me put in the link due to not enought posts yet)
so i thought i would give it a go, i had to buy a 40T 1 way pulley to suit it aswell, now the parts arrived, i put it all together and all was sweet then i picked it up, turned the car on and accelerated while holding the car mid air, it ran like clockwork until i turned while still accelerating, it sounded like a very bad mesh like something was off balance and the belt also shook a-lot.. im still fairly new to the RC scene so has anyone had experience with this kind of thing before? i tripple checked everything was put together properly, and yes the plastic one i also purchased was working fine. cheers
Dennis.
ROCHE - HEAVY DUTY SPOOL SET FOR PHOTON, VERSION 2
i purchased it from ROCHE.hk
(not letting me put in the link due to not enought posts yet)
so i thought i would give it a go, i had to buy a 40T 1 way pulley to suit it aswell, now the parts arrived, i put it all together and all was sweet then i picked it up, turned the car on and accelerated while holding the car mid air, it ran like clockwork until i turned while still accelerating, it sounded like a very bad mesh like something was off balance and the belt also shook a-lot.. im still fairly new to the RC scene so has anyone had experience with this kind of thing before? i tripple checked everything was put together properly, and yes the plastic one i also purchased was working fine. cheers
Dennis.
#2
Tech Champion
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Congratulations on getting the car. We'll help you out however we can. Assuming the spool was built and installed correctly, the chatter you are getting is normal when turning the wheels with no load on the tires. This effect is greatly reduced when the car is on the ground. You will see lots of people running ECS style driveshafts to eliminate it but it's not neccessary and currently it's a little expensive to do the conversion to ECS. Have fun with the car.
#3
wow that is something that i missed big time lol, don't be offended but i didn't believe you cause i never seen it with my genuine plastic one and i was thinking there is still something wrong with the heavy duty part so i put the plastic one back in and there ya go.. it was doing it with that also so i apologise for not taking your word straight up lol.
Is there any dangers in running it like that tho? im just a little concerned that it might wear something out with all that chattering (given it is alot less while on the ground) so far im very happy with the car with only 2 race meets with it (i have had 5 all up so im still fresh)
Is there any dangers in running it like that tho? im just a little concerned that it might wear something out with all that chattering (given it is alot less while on the ground) so far im very happy with the car with only 2 race meets with it (i have had 5 all up so im still fresh)
#4
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Hi all, i had an issue with the original front spool being that mine threaded on the left hand side so it kept slipping, i was looking around and found this
ROCHE - HEAVY DUTY SPOOL SET FOR PHOTON, VERSION 2
i purchased it from ROCHE.hk
(not letting me put in the link due to not enought posts yet)
so i thought i would give it a go, i had to buy a 40T 1 way pulley to suit it as well, now the parts arrived, i put it all together and all was sweet then i picked it up, turned the car on and accelerated while holding the car mid air, it ran like clockwork until i turned while still accelerating, it sounded like a very bad mesh like something was off balance and the belt also shook a-lot.. im still fairly new to the RC scene so has anyone had experience with this kind of thing before? i tripple checked everything was put together properly, and yes the plastic one i also purchased was working fine. cheers
Dennis.
ROCHE - HEAVY DUTY SPOOL SET FOR PHOTON, VERSION 2
i purchased it from ROCHE.hk
(not letting me put in the link due to not enought posts yet)
so i thought i would give it a go, i had to buy a 40T 1 way pulley to suit it as well, now the parts arrived, i put it all together and all was sweet then i picked it up, turned the car on and accelerated while holding the car mid air, it ran like clockwork until i turned while still accelerating, it sounded like a very bad mesh like something was off balance and the belt also shook a-lot.. im still fairly new to the RC scene so has anyone had experience with this kind of thing before? i tripple checked everything was put together properly, and yes the plastic one i also purchased was working fine. cheers
Dennis.
I am very disappointed in this car so far as it has no where the durability of the old photon.
Broken parts in old photon after 1 year.....stripped threads in frt aluminum hubs.
broken parts in ex after 3 race days ...1 c hub,bent arm on r/frt aluminum knuckle,r/rear plastic hub. both frt axles sheared at the ball end, belt came off repeatedly on the first day and flipped upside down. and the frt spool causing horrific torque steer since the first minute.
Getting back to the spool, i removed both of the steel outdrives, inspected the flanges with a magnifying glass and saw no deformities what so ever..don't understand why it would do what it was doing...
Last edited by bpalmer; 06-24-2012 at 03:51 AM.
#5
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Menace is using the old Photon
I think its strange you are breaking more parts on the new car, all the parts carry over from the old car (The parts you mentioned)
Unless the new batches of parts are sub standard (I have not had problems) then durability should be improved overall due to the new steering rack.
I like the spool in the EX kit, its light and the new included out drives (Hard aluminium?) are wearing well for me.
But in saying that, we all have different experiences. I had a great day with the EX today!
I think its strange you are breaking more parts on the new car, all the parts carry over from the old car (The parts you mentioned)
Unless the new batches of parts are sub standard (I have not had problems) then durability should be improved overall due to the new steering rack.
I like the spool in the EX kit, its light and the new included out drives (Hard aluminium?) are wearing well for me.
But in saying that, we all have different experiences. I had a great day with the EX today!
#6
Tech Fanatic
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Hi all, i had an issue with the original front spool being that mine threaded on the left hand side so it kept slipping, i was looking around and found this
ROCHE - HEAVY DUTY SPOOL SET FOR PHOTON, VERSION 2
i purchased it from ROCHE.hk
(not letting me put in the link due to not enought posts yet)
so i thought i would give it a go, i had to buy a 40T 1 way pulley to suit it aswell, now the parts arrived, i put it all together and all was sweet then i picked it up, turned the car on and accelerated while holding the car mid air, it ran like clockwork until i turned while still accelerating, it sounded like a very bad mesh like something was off balance and the belt also shook a-lot.. im still fairly new to the RC scene so has anyone had experience with this kind of thing before? i tripple checked everything was put together properly, and yes the plastic one i also purchased was working fine. cheers
Dennis.
ROCHE - HEAVY DUTY SPOOL SET FOR PHOTON, VERSION 2
i purchased it from ROCHE.hk
(not letting me put in the link due to not enought posts yet)
so i thought i would give it a go, i had to buy a 40T 1 way pulley to suit it aswell, now the parts arrived, i put it all together and all was sweet then i picked it up, turned the car on and accelerated while holding the car mid air, it ran like clockwork until i turned while still accelerating, it sounded like a very bad mesh like something was off balance and the belt also shook a-lot.. im still fairly new to the RC scene so has anyone had experience with this kind of thing before? i tripple checked everything was put together properly, and yes the plastic one i also purchased was working fine. cheers
Dennis.
PS, I might be selling my 'old' photon
Phill
#7
Tech Champion
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wow that is something that i missed big time lol, don't be offended but i didn't believe you cause i never seen it with my genuine plastic one and i was thinking there is still something wrong with the heavy duty part so i put the plastic one back in and there ya go.. it was doing it with that also so i apologise for not taking your word straight up lol.
Is there any dangers in running it like that tho? im just a little concerned that it might wear something out with all that chattering (given it is alot less while on the ground) so far im very happy with the car with only 2 race meets with it (i have had 5 all up so im still fresh)
Is there any dangers in running it like that tho? im just a little concerned that it might wear something out with all that chattering (given it is alot less while on the ground) so far im very happy with the car with only 2 race meets with it (i have had 5 all up so im still fresh)
#8
Tech Elite
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This chatter is not caused by the spool it's the dog bone to axle universal joint making the noise. This same thing will occur with a ball diff or gear diff. It's caused by the slot in the bone that the pin holding the bone and axle together slides back and forth in. This can be fixed to some extent by using a dermal and making the slot a bit longer. Also black grease the joint this helps reduce wear and chatter. I use Associated grease, I believe Muchmore makes a CVD grease that works really well.
Another tip, place some black grease on the pin that sits inside the spool out-drive (do often). This will help a lot with wear and feel.
On that note, you should never be turning your car at full lock. This is way to much steering. Set your radio to about 80% from full lock and setup your car to rotate around a tight 180. It can be done and you will be faster if you do it.
One of the biggest mistakes a beginner makes is turning there dual rate up to high because there car won't turn tight enough at speed. If this happens work on your setup don't compensate with mechanical steering. Slow down as well, going to fast into the corner causes the car to push giving you the false feeling of not having enough steering.
Another tip, place some black grease on the pin that sits inside the spool out-drive (do often). This will help a lot with wear and feel.
On that note, you should never be turning your car at full lock. This is way to much steering. Set your radio to about 80% from full lock and setup your car to rotate around a tight 180. It can be done and you will be faster if you do it.
One of the biggest mistakes a beginner makes is turning there dual rate up to high because there car won't turn tight enough at speed. If this happens work on your setup don't compensate with mechanical steering. Slow down as well, going to fast into the corner causes the car to push giving you the false feeling of not having enough steering.
#9
Yea I have not adjusted the DR up, that is still on the default setting, also the end points are on about 79% so full lock is pretty much non existant I understand the concept of slowi g down for the corners especially the hair pins it only took a few laps to understand that faster is not always better lol the chatter was happening all across the steering not only on full lock when I was testing it that's why I was a little worried, but yes it did get worse the harder I turned but in saying that, there was little to none when the weight of the car was added so I'm happy about that
#10
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If you used thread lock to hold the set screw you may have thread lock in the barrel\dog bone joint causing it to stick. this would cause chatter when the wheels are straight or at any turning radius.
This same thing happened to a fellow racing when he built his first car. Cleaned out the joint and all was good.
This same thing happened to a fellow racing when he built his first car. Cleaned out the joint and all was good.
#11
Na the only screw this spool has is holding the pulley to it, the rest is locked in by pins, it's an after market spool, it's actually pretty good you guys should check it out just google the name from my first post
#12
i would post a link to the pic of the spool but i haven't posted enough for it to let me lol so if someone else wants to feel free.
Last edited by Menace84; 06-25-2012 at 03:30 AM. Reason: more info
#13
Tech Regular
I think that's awesome.Like some sort of epic lasagna.
#15
Ahh ok I will check that our after work today, cheers