Hot Bodies Cyclone
01-19-2009, 02:01 PM
More shims (raising roll center) under the suspension blocks will create more grip for the first 10-20% of the corner, then prodive less traction throughout the rest. It will make the car "feel" more direct though, as if it has more traction. It just makes the car react really quick and stay flat through corners. I sometimes raise my roll center, in combination with softer springs to make the car create traction, but still have it corner flat and be nice and reactive. It just depends on the traction conditions though.
The opposite is true when you remove shims from the suspension blocks. It lowers the roll center, and creates less grip for the first part of the corner, but in the middle and exit of the corner it will create more grip. It will makes the car roll in the corners more. It will also transfer weight slower though, and make the car feel lazier. In foam tire racing a lot of times a lower roll center is preferred, in combination with stiffer springs. It slows weight transfer down making the car not so grabby to the point where it wants to traction roll right away. It allows the car to slowly gain grip through the corner and still remain flat with the stiffer springs.
-Korey
01-19-2009, 04:07 PM
I took it to the Canadian Xray team at the 2nd leg of the WCICS series race last weekend, taking TQ and the win in SuperStock with the TC. I ended up settling on a variant of Andy Moore's IIC setup. With just a couple of adjustments it was dialed in.
I had my pit buddy guinnea pig the STLNLST setup on his ride, and it worked out well for him. It cornered much flatter than mine and carved around corners quite predictably. You weren't kidding about it being planted. I prefer my car with a bit more progressive body roll throughout the corner, so I kept what I had.
I had my pit buddy guinnea pig the STLNLST setup on his ride, and it worked out well for him. It cornered much flatter than mine and carved around corners quite predictably. You weren't kidding about it being planted. I prefer my car with a bit more progressive body roll throughout the corner, so I kept what I had.
01-19-2009, 04:15 PM
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01-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Lipo Battery for Cyclone TC
Hi guys,
Does anyone knows which Lipo battery would fit the Cyclone TC without modification? I don't mind removing the battery tray.
I am considering the following lipos for my Cyclone TC, which do you think is the most suited for 11.5 turn stock?
1) Orion 3800MAH 30C Race Spec
2) Intellect 4200 30C
3) Intellect 3800 35C+
4) LRP 5300 28C
Thanks in advance.
Does anyone knows which Lipo battery would fit the Cyclone TC without modification? I don't mind removing the battery tray.
I am considering the following lipos for my Cyclone TC, which do you think is the most suited for 11.5 turn stock?
1) Orion 3800MAH 30C Race Spec
2) Intellect 4200 30C
3) Intellect 3800 35C+
4) LRP 5300 28C
Thanks in advance.
01-19-2009, 11:26 PM
Hi ,
I tried your setup STLNLST , on sunday and indeed it was way better then mine , i just went to a thicker rear roll bar and the car was perfect , i went from a 19 lapper with my setup to a 21 lapper with your setup so thanks alot it did help .
Then comes the probleme unfertunatley , whent i want to de tweak my car because it doesnt drive straight , i put my car on the tweak station and :
this sunday , the weight limit was 1500 gramms in mod , i added 35 g in front of the 5 cell pack and 20 g and the back . When i was at 1500 g , it was easy to de tweak the car , but when im going to race in 2 weeks time i was preparing the car and the weight limit will be 1425 g so i took of the weights and now the car is so hard to de tweak, im using a spirit level tweak station and if i want to get the buble in the midle or about in the midle , the ride height on the right hand side ( battery side ) is 7 mm and on the left is 5.5 as i wanted , do you guys know what i cpuld do to help it ?
Thanks for any help
I tried your setup STLNLST , on sunday and indeed it was way better then mine , i just went to a thicker rear roll bar and the car was perfect , i went from a 19 lapper with my setup to a 21 lapper with your setup so thanks alot it did help .
Then comes the probleme unfertunatley , whent i want to de tweak my car because it doesnt drive straight , i put my car on the tweak station and :
this sunday , the weight limit was 1500 gramms in mod , i added 35 g in front of the 5 cell pack and 20 g and the back . When i was at 1500 g , it was easy to de tweak the car , but when im going to race in 2 weeks time i was preparing the car and the weight limit will be 1425 g so i took of the weights and now the car is so hard to de tweak, im using a spirit level tweak station and if i want to get the buble in the midle or about in the midle , the ride height on the right hand side ( battery side ) is 7 mm and on the left is 5.5 as i wanted , do you guys know what i cpuld do to help it ?
Thanks for any help
01-19-2009, 11:41 PM
Hi guys,
Does anyone knows which Lipo battery would fit the Cyclone TC without modification? I don't mind removing the battery tray.
I am considering the following lipos for my Cyclone TC, which do you think is the most suited for 11.5 turn stock?
1) Orion 3800MAH 30C Race Spec
2) Intellect 4200 30C
3) Intellect 3800 35C+
4) LRP 5300 28C
Thanks in advance.
Does anyone knows which Lipo battery would fit the Cyclone TC without modification? I don't mind removing the battery tray.
I am considering the following lipos for my Cyclone TC, which do you think is the most suited for 11.5 turn stock?
1) Orion 3800MAH 30C Race Spec
2) Intellect 4200 30C
3) Intellect 3800 35C+
4) LRP 5300 28C
Thanks in advance.
Orion 3800 with the Battery Tray in place.
01-19-2009, 11:58 PM
I would just balance out your car. I feel it's better to have a slightly heavier car that is balanced instead of a light car that is unbalanced.
More shims (raising roll center) under the suspension blocks will create more grip for the first 10-20% of the corner, then prodive less traction throughout the rest. It will make the car "feel" more direct though, as if it has more traction. It just makes the car react really quick and stay flat through corners. I sometimes raise my roll center, in combination with softer springs to make the car create traction, but still have it corner flat and be nice and reactive. It just depends on the traction conditions though.
The opposite is true when you remove shims from the suspension blocks. It lowers the roll center, and creates less grip for the first part of the corner, but in the middle and exit of the corner it will create more grip. It will makes the car roll in the corners more. It will also transfer weight slower though, and make the car feel lazier. In foam tire racing a lot of times a lower roll center is preferred, in combination with stiffer springs. It slows weight transfer down making the car not so grabby to the point where it wants to traction roll right away. It allows the car to slowly gain grip through the corner and still remain flat with the stiffer springs.
-Korey
More shims (raising roll center) under the suspension blocks will create more grip for the first 10-20% of the corner, then prodive less traction throughout the rest. It will make the car "feel" more direct though, as if it has more traction. It just makes the car react really quick and stay flat through corners. I sometimes raise my roll center, in combination with softer springs to make the car create traction, but still have it corner flat and be nice and reactive. It just depends on the traction conditions though.
The opposite is true when you remove shims from the suspension blocks. It lowers the roll center, and creates less grip for the first part of the corner, but in the middle and exit of the corner it will create more grip. It will makes the car roll in the corners more. It will also transfer weight slower though, and make the car feel lazier. In foam tire racing a lot of times a lower roll center is preferred, in combination with stiffer springs. It slows weight transfer down making the car not so grabby to the point where it wants to traction roll right away. It allows the car to slowly gain grip through the corner and still remain flat with the stiffer springs.
-Korey
Another question : what is the effect of laying or standing shocks ?
Thanks
01-20-2009, 03:21 AM
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01-20-2009, 03:58 PM
what final drive ratio do use run with 10.5
01-20-2009, 06:12 PM
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01-21-2009, 04:19 AM
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This is mine with an IP 5000. 
01-21-2009, 08:21 AM
Even on the smallest track we run on 5.4 might get run but 5.2 is the sweet spot.