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U.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing Part 2
#7802
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Being an extreamly competative class doesnt also mean it cant be an entry level class. Those terms are not mutually exclusive. But with the given rule set, how can it not be an entry level class? But with that in mind I will be willing to bet every one of the amain drivers at the southern nats will have a car that is less than 2 years old
I personally am not ashamed of an e main finish, but for a very casual racer like myself it's a neat class. Now that points are being accumulated nationally, I doubt that Myron will do it this way again. I bet the trophies are paid for and probably already on hand. I'm sure no one is forced to run sportsman that doesn't want to.
#7803
Tech Elite
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I am saying entry level due to the way the rules are set up.
Speed is a factor, but it not just because of the drivers ability to handle it. Due to slower speeds, the set-up window is larger. Now it takes time to get good at getting that perfect set-up, but a nube can quickly get a set-up that works.
Weight is another rule that points to beginner. It has been asked why the weight remains at 1550g. The resounding answer given is to allow NEW drivers the ability to buy inexpensive chassis (the TC4 is the preferred model), and still be, or at least appear to be, competative. The rule, at this point anyway, seems to be designed to attract those new drivers to USVTA over other classes. In no other class, in the hands of a new driver, would these cheap kits be competative.
Battery capacity and ESC's are another reason. This one simply has to due with cost, and how lower cost appeals to the new racer. Now I know the ESC rules have changed, but that is a recent change. The original list was made up of some the cheapest ESC's on the market.
The set it and forget it aspect of the one motor rule also appeals to new racers. No chasing the hottest motor. Just buy the one and go.
But even though the rules are set-up to appeal to that new driver, it doesnt mean a good driver cant work within those rules to creat a highly competative car and class.
Speed is a factor, but it not just because of the drivers ability to handle it. Due to slower speeds, the set-up window is larger. Now it takes time to get good at getting that perfect set-up, but a nube can quickly get a set-up that works.
Weight is another rule that points to beginner. It has been asked why the weight remains at 1550g. The resounding answer given is to allow NEW drivers the ability to buy inexpensive chassis (the TC4 is the preferred model), and still be, or at least appear to be, competative. The rule, at this point anyway, seems to be designed to attract those new drivers to USVTA over other classes. In no other class, in the hands of a new driver, would these cheap kits be competative.
Battery capacity and ESC's are another reason. This one simply has to due with cost, and how lower cost appeals to the new racer. Now I know the ESC rules have changed, but that is a recent change. The original list was made up of some the cheapest ESC's on the market.
The set it and forget it aspect of the one motor rule also appeals to new racers. No chasing the hottest motor. Just buy the one and go.
But even though the rules are set-up to appeal to that new driver, it doesnt mean a good driver cant work within those rules to creat a highly competative car and class.
#7804
Tech Fanatic
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Be careful , we'll see what happens at the race this year, but I don't think that held true last year. I believe EA for one was running a car older than 2yrs old. Some of the best cars that I've seen in VTA are the older Xrays. But in general, you may be right on the overall preference of a newer chassis.
We have a solid following at my home track and the top 2 qualifiers at our last race were both old Xrays (008 and/or 009).
We have a solid following at my home track and the top 2 qualifiers at our last race were both old Xrays (008 and/or 009).
It doesn't bother me to race with EA in VTA or another sponsored driver. They only make me better. My problem is I only race in the winter and take summers off completely so it takes a few races to get back in the rhythm....
#7807
I recently ran the Roar Nats in Kissimee last month and purchased the new D4 motor, I found that my Novak Boss ran a lot cooler and was just as fast than the D4 25.5. Now others that ran the d4 say it noticeabley faster, but I prefer the novak for now.
#7810
Tech Elite
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I'll take that bet... I run an Xray T209 and have for years, I have ran it exclusively in VTA for the last 5 years . I've never been sponsored but I qualified and finished 3rd in VTA A-MAin at Snowbirds a few years ago. I've won many regional races with it, and consistently qualify in the A-Main no matter where I go. I believe Myron and EA can vouch that if I show up at your VTA race you will have to deal with the T209 in the A-Main.
It doesn't bother me to race with EA in VTA or another sponsored driver. They only make me better. My problem is I only race in the winter and take summers off completely so it takes a few races to get back in the rhythm....
It doesn't bother me to race with EA in VTA or another sponsored driver. They only make me better. My problem is I only race in the winter and take summers off completely so it takes a few races to get back in the rhythm....
#7811
Tech Fanatic
If it hasn't been scrapped yet, I'd rather just dump the 45 degree max timing rule as it is unenforceable (at least at the club level - without expensive equipment) and it would penalize any manufacture (if the motor rule were opened up to any ROAR approved 25.5 motor) who actually put a true zero timing mark on their motor. More to come on that subject after I get more familiar with the Motorlyser.
#7812
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If it hasn't been scrapped yet, I'd rather just dump the 45 degree max timing rule as it is unenforceable (at least at the club level - without expensive equipment) and it would penalize any manufacture (if the motor rule were opened up to any ROAR approved 25.5 motor) who actually put a true zero timing mark on their motor. More to come on that subject after I get more familiar with the Motorlyser.
I think you will see the max timing rule dropped before you see another motor other than Novak under the USVTA rules. This was in place because of people using the silver SS Novak motors and with the vast majority running back can motors now its really not needed. Once Rob gives his stamp on this we will all know....
#7813
Tech Fanatic
Since I returned to on road racing in January, last week was the first race weekend that there were no USVTA cars to have a VTA class. Was it that this weekend we reverted back to USVTA rules? I don't know, but we had about a dozen VTA cars at the open motor rules race. However, there were 10 USGT cars powered by at least 7 different motors and the fastest to slowest best lap times were within about 1 second on a mid 16 second track layout. Having an open motor rule in USGT doesn't seem to have produced a "motor of the week" problem, at least here in Texas, like many here fear will happen in VTA.
#7814
Tech Elite
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Just raced my TC4 tonight in VTA. We had 15 cars
In practice I was a few tenths off the fastest cars. Added a sway bar to the front and got to about a tenth off. In the A-main I had to borrow a newer battery (compared to the 2+ year old battery I normally run) and was basically the same pace as the fastest car in the main. Was challenging for 2nd early in the race (from starting 7th) but made too many mistakes and finished 4th (right behind 3rd).
Oh forgot to mention I'm running a Ballistic motor with closed endbell that I built from parts off the shelf, so I have no idea if it is a good motor or not.
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The current USVTA formula works at our track. Typically in our A-mains, most of the cars fast laps are around a tenth of each other. There are many different chassis, bodies, and setups. I personally don't have to run the best equipment to have a chance at podium.
There really isn't a need for different brands of motors because the current spec motor is producing good racing right now. Good setup and driving win more races at our track than anything else.
In practice I was a few tenths off the fastest cars. Added a sway bar to the front and got to about a tenth off. In the A-main I had to borrow a newer battery (compared to the 2+ year old battery I normally run) and was basically the same pace as the fastest car in the main. Was challenging for 2nd early in the race (from starting 7th) but made too many mistakes and finished 4th (right behind 3rd).
Oh forgot to mention I'm running a Ballistic motor with closed endbell that I built from parts off the shelf, so I have no idea if it is a good motor or not.
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The current USVTA formula works at our track. Typically in our A-mains, most of the cars fast laps are around a tenth of each other. There are many different chassis, bodies, and setups. I personally don't have to run the best equipment to have a chance at podium.
There really isn't a need for different brands of motors because the current spec motor is producing good racing right now. Good setup and driving win more races at our track than anything else.
#7815
Tech Fanatic
I think you will see the max timing rule dropped before you see another motor other than Novak under the USVTA rules. This was in place because of people using the silver SS Novak motors and with the vast majority running back can motors now its really not needed. Once Rob gives his stamp on this we will all know....