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U.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing Part 2
#4321
Calling all VTA veterans! My local track is going to open soon and I will be the promoter/race director. Indoor asphalt track. I really want to push the VTA class as it looks awesome and is cheaper to get into. I planned on following usvta rules to the T but I have a few locals that are pushing for more relaxed rules such as any roar blinky esc and any 25.5 or even 21.5 motors. What are your thoughts on what is the better way to make this class successful and here to stay? Also note that the 2 closest tracks (about 90 min each) follow strict usvta rules.
Thanks for the input guys!
Thanks for the input guys!
#4322
Tech Addict
iTrader: (21)
I'm hardly a VTA veteran, but as a VTA racer, I would prefer strict USVTA rules so that I know my car is legal at all three regional tracks. Relaxing the ESC rules to any ESC in blinky mode wouldn't bother me so much (assuming you're racing honest people), but I wouldn't want to have to buy a new motor just to race at your track, y'know?
#4323
Tech Master
iTrader: (8)
I kind of understand going blinky ESC, but people really are a pain with motor rules, always pushing the limit higher. I don't get why some are so against the Novak motors?? If you have full USVTA tracks near you I'd go with those rules.
Sometimes you can make the people with motor issues happy by allowing a grace period to come up to whatever spec you choose so that you can get started. Make sure you set a hard date to come up to your specs though.
Sometimes you can make the people with motor issues happy by allowing a grace period to come up to whatever spec you choose so that you can get started. Make sure you set a hard date to come up to your specs though.
#4324
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (25)
Calling all VTA veterans! My local track is going to open soon and I will be the promoter/race director. Indoor asphalt track. I really want to push the VTA class as it looks awesome and is cheaper to get into. I planned on following usvta rules to the T but I have a few locals that are pushing for more relaxed rules such as any roar blinky esc and any 25.5 or even 21.5 motors. What are your thoughts on what is the better way to make this class successful and here to stay? Also note that the 2 closest tracks (about 90 min each) follow strict usvta rules.
Thanks for the input guys!
Thanks for the input guys!
#4325
Where is your track located ?
#4326
Tech Elite
iTrader: (9)
In some markets the USVTA Rules are hard to get to fly (read CALIFORNIA) - but out here they started a "Outlaw VTA" class this year which uses any ROAR Legal blinky ESC, any ROAR Legal 21.5 motor, and doesn't require the driver figure...and finally a VTA type class is growing out here.
There is one track that has also started a US VTA ruled class...and now that people are running some type of VTA - they are ALL getting more popular.
I say.... offer BOTH - and let racers decide. (If the numbers are small...run them both together, and score them separately...most scoring programs can combine classes)
There is one track that has also started a US VTA ruled class...and now that people are running some type of VTA - they are ALL getting more popular.
I say.... offer BOTH - and let racers decide. (If the numbers are small...run them both together, and score them separately...most scoring programs can combine classes)
#4327
Tech Master
iTrader: (41)
What ever you do. Decide Now and don;t try and change it down the road. It will be bad all around. Locally we run USVTA and it's great. No issues. But If someone comes in for a club race from out of town we generally bend the rules in the ESC department as it's just being Nice (Canadian). south of us there are a few tracks that run a different set of rules all together (17T 1cell) and it's comparable but slower then 25.5 VTA. and they are not run together at all.
#4329
Tech Champion
iTrader: (2)
Calling all VTA veterans! My local track is going to open soon and I will be the promoter/race director. Indoor asphalt track. I really want to push the VTA class as it looks awesome and is cheaper to get into. I planned on following usvta rules to the T but I have a few locals that are pushing for more relaxed rules such as any roar blinky esc and any 25.5 or even 21.5 motors. What are your thoughts on what is the better way to make this class successful and here to stay? Also note that the 2 closest tracks (about 90 min each) follow strict usvta rules.
Thanks for the input guys!
Thanks for the input guys!
#4330
Tech Elite
iTrader: (9)
Since you are starting from scratch, run USVTA only rules for the following reasons.
- Sticking with Novak 25.5 motors will eliminate the question of what is the best 21.5 motor to run and will save your racers $$ in the long run. I ran the same Novak 25.5 for 2 years (until I dropped it & damaged the stator). The replacement rotor/motor performs the same as the original.
- A well setup 25.5 car isn't "as slow" as people think. If you are running on a technical or smaller track/layout, a USVTA car driven by a good driver is usually capable of making the A-main in USGT (21.5 motor) at an average club race day.
- Asphalt tracks can be abrasive on HPI Vintage tires. The "slower" or more controlled speeds of the 25.5 motors will cause less wear on the front tires. Less tire wear = more money in racer's pockets.
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If individuals are resistant to the USVTA speed control rules and don't travel, you could allow ROAR legal blinky speed controls and/or any ROAR 25.5 approved motor. Most peope who run fully legal USVTA cars have no problem traveling to a track that allows "ROAR VTA" rules. However if you aren't teching the speed controls every heat race to ensure they are in blinky, don't expect the class to be successful. I've seen too many times if you allow an adjustable speed control and aren't strict with tech, that people will cheat.
The reason why USVTA rules create successful racing at many tracks around the country is that people know that it is a level playing field. Most people don't mind getting beat by a better driver or better setup car.
- Sticking with Novak 25.5 motors will eliminate the question of what is the best 21.5 motor to run and will save your racers $$ in the long run. I ran the same Novak 25.5 for 2 years (until I dropped it & damaged the stator). The replacement rotor/motor performs the same as the original.
- A well setup 25.5 car isn't "as slow" as people think. If you are running on a technical or smaller track/layout, a USVTA car driven by a good driver is usually capable of making the A-main in USGT (21.5 motor) at an average club race day.
- Asphalt tracks can be abrasive on HPI Vintage tires. The "slower" or more controlled speeds of the 25.5 motors will cause less wear on the front tires. Less tire wear = more money in racer's pockets.
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If individuals are resistant to the USVTA speed control rules and don't travel, you could allow ROAR legal blinky speed controls and/or any ROAR 25.5 approved motor. Most peope who run fully legal USVTA cars have no problem traveling to a track that allows "ROAR VTA" rules. However if you aren't teching the speed controls every heat race to ensure they are in blinky, don't expect the class to be successful. I've seen too many times if you allow an adjustable speed control and aren't strict with tech, that people will cheat.
The reason why USVTA rules create successful racing at many tracks around the country is that people know that it is a level playing field. Most people don't mind getting beat by a better driver or better setup car.
Last edited by IndyRC_Racer; 03-13-2013 at 01:34 PM.
#4333
Tech Fanatic
Enforce the 25.5 novak motor rule, makes it easier and less expensive in the long run for everybody, as for the esc its been said over and over that there is no advatage in running any blinky esc in vta so if it helps your racers keep cost down then go for it ... It will take $300+ to transform a tc into a legal USVTA, cheap right ?? LOL
#4334
Tech Champion
iTrader: (22)
Save yourself the headaches, go 25.5 Novak motors. There is a reason we put the esc list together, but I do understand when tracks just allow blinky mode escs. I think in the long run you have less problems with people questioning who is doing what on the escs if you use non updateable escs, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get it off the ground. But don't cave on the motor thing, you will have a much easier time if everybody runs the same motor.
#4335
Tech Fanatic