7Likes2013 Torque line by Picco
08-09-2013, 01:50 AM
#316
I'm sure European fuels are also used in the US and trust me, some of them have even less than 8% oil.
I have mixed my own fuel for a long time when I lived in the US and I never used more than 10% oil for on road, even in the hot and humid Georgia / South Carolina climate with nitro contents up to 40%
This fuel was used by people like Murnan and Palmaris and they never had any problems with the oil content.
08-14-2013, 05:59 AM
#317
Registered User
Hello Sammies, yes the motor will run a little richer when adding the oil, but you will be able to lean down the motor harder to get back your rpms; you should not have to change gears at all.
The KLOTZ will not break down until 555 degrees and if it does it is only breaking down 15.7cst which is very minimal from when the oil is fresh and new, so no worries. I hope you don't run your engines upove 555, lol.
You will get more smoke then normal but that is letting you know that is getting lubricant. Don’t get me wrong just because it smokes it does not mean your engine cannot overheat because it will, if it is not tuned correctly.
I see you added 10 mil that is only going to change the percent ½ to ¾ of percent if that, I could be wrong, but I am not a math wizard so I cannot see the change that you’re talking about, but that’s ok the more info racers put out, is how we all learn. We all are going to think and feel different when we test, so I understand your concerns. . 30- 50mil might change to maybe 2 to 3 percent, I will try to figure that out today and get back with you, because I have never figured that out.
Now if your already runny 12 – 16 percent and adding 50 or 60 mil, then yes the oil contents is high and can change things but will not hurt the engine. I only add lubricant when I am racing in high heat and humidity.
But in the other hand you can run the KLOTZ oil as low as 37 degrees.
Hope I hit on some of the question you’re asking and I will try to get back with percentage later today.
Thanks Billy
The KLOTZ will not break down until 555 degrees and if it does it is only breaking down 15.7cst which is very minimal from when the oil is fresh and new, so no worries. I hope you don't run your engines upove 555, lol.
You will get more smoke then normal but that is letting you know that is getting lubricant. Don’t get me wrong just because it smokes it does not mean your engine cannot overheat because it will, if it is not tuned correctly.
I see you added 10 mil that is only going to change the percent ½ to ¾ of percent if that, I could be wrong, but I am not a math wizard so I cannot see the change that you’re talking about, but that’s ok the more info racers put out, is how we all learn. We all are going to think and feel different when we test, so I understand your concerns. . 30- 50mil might change to maybe 2 to 3 percent, I will try to figure that out today and get back with you, because I have never figured that out.
Now if your already runny 12 – 16 percent and adding 50 or 60 mil, then yes the oil contents is high and can change things but will not hurt the engine. I only add lubricant when I am racing in high heat and humidity.
But in the other hand you can run the KLOTZ oil as low as 37 degrees.
Hope I hit on some of the question you’re asking and I will try to get back with percentage later today.
Thanks Billy
If you add oil you need to know the sheering and plating ability before. Not all oils do the same job. You also need to know if the oil will stay suspended in the fuel. If it will also mix with the existing oil in the fuel. And it does not matter what you add when you add oil it leans the engine out. The engine needs to consume a what you can call fixed amount of fuel. The fuel is not the lubrication it is the actual source that the engine runs off of and makes the power. You need so much fuel for whatever the displacement is. When you add oil it adds volume to the mixture and therefore the source is now displaced and thinner. You need to consume more volume to create the same power, but now we are consuming more volume and oil. And you do not need to have more then 9% of a good lubricant. The other little added item that is not mentioned is when you have a higher oil content your engine temp will rise as well. It is all again depending on the oils ability. Adding oil will make it "safer" but will not allow you to achieve anything other then having to use more fuel and most times nothing else.
In reference to the oil specs. The flash point for eiothr full synthetic Klotz techniplate or 80/20 is 460 degee's.
The viscosity of Techniplate is 23.30 cst at 212 degree's
The viscosity of 80/20 is 22.40 cst.
08-15-2013, 03:41 AM
#318
Tech Initiate
Out of interest when setting the epa for full throttle on these engines should I have it set so it opens the slide to just before it stops or only so that it opens just past the venturi opening as there is big difference between the two.
08-15-2013, 08:16 AM
#319
I am not the experienced "engine" guy around, but I always set mine until the venture is completely open and no more. Theres no point on pulling the barrel to its maximum.
I am going off the theory, that when its fully open, the hole is completely round, so you will get better air flow. If the barrel is pulled further it creates an indent, that will slow down the air.
Shawn.
08-15-2013, 06:47 PM
#320
Usually it's best to set the EPA to the same size as the ventury.
08-15-2013, 07:46 PM
#321
08-16-2013, 11:47 AM
#322
Tested 1 Gallon and decided not to use it. There seems to be no or only a tiny little bit of castor in this fuel.
Big no no IMHO.
08-16-2013, 02:53 PM
#323
According to their website, it's half and half so 9% oil would be 4.5% castor. Whatever it is, it's just not enough. Add an ounce or two of castor to it and it's fine but without it, engines will die on long tracks. Short tracks and offroad, it seems to be fine.
08-16-2013, 07:37 PM
#324
Tech Fanatic
hi I bought some klotz oil and it is sol 200 and I cannot find any info on it /I just asked for oil that was good for rc racing was told it was what I wanted if I wanted to add a bite caster on the net all I can find that looks right is kl 198 have not ruined any engines for a while so I haven't used it yet need to mix new lot for nats/grandson would be p//s if we buger a new engine have been using been oil klotz or whatever carnt rember the name but have had no trouble I try to get all this stuff rite but I onley use what I am given just an old carpenter
greg
greg
Last edited by greg.dawn; 08-16-2013 at 07:50 PM.
08-16-2013, 11:46 PM
#325
hi I bought some klotz oil and it is sol 200 and I cannot find any info on it /I just asked for oil that was good for rc racing was told it was what I wanted if I wanted to add a bite caster on the net all I can find that looks right is kl 198 have not ruined any engines for a while so I haven't used it yet need to mix new lot for nats/grandson would be p//s if we buger a new engine have been using been oil klotz or whatever carnt rember the name but have had no trouble I try to get all this stuff rite but I onley use what I am given just an old carpenter
greg
greg
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....175_Pint&cat=8
If you want to blend this with some synthetic oil to bring the viscosity down a bit, I recommend that you use original Techniplate.
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....00_Quart&cat=8
I have used both products in model fuel for a long time and they work awesome.
I'm using a blend of 6% castor and 2% Techniplate inmy onroad fuel.
Hope this helps.
08-17-2013, 12:36 AM
#326
Tech Fanatic
thanks the benol is what I have been using for years and have had no probles bearings/exc but I was told it was leaving the inside of engen black/also I canot get it any more is that other stuff any good at all I am wating for rc susplies to come back to find out what he gave me ///or what it is suspost to be used for thanks for the reply we run 10 percent oil but at QLD titles I droped it to 8
08-17-2013, 08:13 AM
#327
thanks the benol is what I have been using for years and have had no probles bearings/exc but I was told it was leaving the inside of engen black/also I canot get it any more is that other stuff any good at all I am wating for rc susplies to come back to find out what he gave me ///or what it is suspost to be used for thanks for the reply we run 10 percent oil but at QLD titles I droped it to 8
Stefan, we think alike. That's exactly the blend I came up with
08-18-2013, 02:11 AM
#328
Tech Apprentice
Benol is just a really good castor oil. If you can't get it in Aus, you should be able to find something similar. For instance, your Nova importer should be able to get Nova castor. Only problem is it's expensive. Call around to kart shops or anywhere else that deals with racing 2 strokes and you should be able to find some. Just watch out for blends. A popular brand here in the US is actually a half castor/half synth blend.
Stefan, we think alike. That's exactly the blend I came up with
Stefan, we think alike. That's exactly the blend I came up with
08-18-2013, 04:11 AM
#329
Registered User
You are right they do not stay suspended in the mixture. But the Klotz oil will stay. If you were trying to use another it might be a problem.
08-18-2013, 12:06 PM
#330
Any full castor should blend, it's the synths you have to watch out for.
