Super GT Plus (SGT+): 21.5/zero GT Racing
#31
At WCRC I'm all the way down to almost a 3.0 with the Icon 21.5 motor, as are most guys.
#33
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Sounds like a great class. To really be successful it would be good to contact manufactures and see if they're willing to put together a low cost RTR. If this happens a class like this could really take off and maybe bring people back to on-road racing.
Magazine coverage would be good to.
Magazine coverage would be good to.
#34
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#37
Is 90/55 in 64p. Does it matter if its 48p or 64p. When I go here http://www.comeseethis.com/gearing/Default.aspx I can not tell if its 64p or 48p
#38
its a geometry thing, the radius is proportional to # of teeth, so swapping tooth for tooth from spur to pinion should keep the clearance the same while lowering the FDR.
#39
tc5
Can someone with a TC5 chime in on what gears to get and in 64p or 48p. Thanks
#40
Is 90/55 in 64p. Does it matter if its 48p or 64p. When I go here http://www.comeseethis.com/gearing/Default.aspx I can not tell if its 64p or 48p
#41
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Pete,
Have the Road Runners contacted other So Cal tracks or race organizers to put these rules in effect for the SGT and SGT+ classes?
My concern with taking FF03 and going brushless is NOT a cost effective alternative. The FF03 (non pro) comes with a motor. Why toss $15-20 away? in favor of having to spend $80 for a motor? ESC's can arguably be the same in price but from what I see a brushed ESC is near half the cost?
Also I think that a FDR rule needs to come into effect. The FF03 is just not equipped to handle the rediculous pinion to spur ratios without major (very fluent hobbiest) modifications and extra parts.
Staying with "silver cans" in this "All Tamiya" class anyway (for now) will allow it not only to stay low cost but also TCS legal.
Perhaps if this class gets more manufacturers involved then move to a 21.5/zero motor rule. But for now while the class is growing....
Just my $1.389
Have the Road Runners contacted other So Cal tracks or race organizers to put these rules in effect for the SGT and SGT+ classes?
My concern with taking FF03 and going brushless is NOT a cost effective alternative. The FF03 (non pro) comes with a motor. Why toss $15-20 away? in favor of having to spend $80 for a motor? ESC's can arguably be the same in price but from what I see a brushed ESC is near half the cost?
Also I think that a FDR rule needs to come into effect. The FF03 is just not equipped to handle the rediculous pinion to spur ratios without major (very fluent hobbiest) modifications and extra parts.
Staying with "silver cans" in this "All Tamiya" class anyway (for now) will allow it not only to stay low cost but also TCS legal.
Perhaps if this class gets more manufacturers involved then move to a 21.5/zero motor rule. But for now while the class is growing....
Just my $1.389
#42
^good ideas, opinions are different though.
brushless combo= cirtix $80-100(90+ for "nice" motor alone, ie open 21.5 motors)
brushed esc= $40-50+
Starting out yes you save using the stock silver can. But you end up spending almost the same amount after you buy another silver can when it wears out. Brushless esc/motor quality would be higher and last longer. Run with less heat etc.
Those who have silver can prefer silver can.
Those who have brushless/cirtix prefer brushless.
Spec FDR is good idea, but imo it needs to include buy out option or rpm limits. IE, your motor can be bought out under you by another racer at full retail while the race organizer has it in stock.
brushless combo= cirtix $80-100(90+ for "nice" motor alone, ie open 21.5 motors)
brushed esc= $40-50+
Starting out yes you save using the stock silver can. But you end up spending almost the same amount after you buy another silver can when it wears out. Brushless esc/motor quality would be higher and last longer. Run with less heat etc.
Those who have silver can prefer silver can.
Those who have brushless/cirtix prefer brushless.
Spec FDR is good idea, but imo it needs to include buy out option or rpm limits. IE, your motor can be bought out under you by another racer at full retail while the race organizer has it in stock.
#43
What does VTA set their FDR's at? I like the idea of setting FDR's, but would you also have to set the timing on the motor?
Racecrafter, I had my doubts about brushless, but the more I run it, the more I like it.
Racecrafter, I had my doubts about brushless, but the more I run it, the more I like it.
#44
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Pete,
Have the Road Runners contacted other So Cal tracks or race organizers to put these rules in effect for the SGT and SGT+ classes?
My concern with taking FF03 and going brushless is NOT a cost effective alternative. The FF03 (non pro) comes with a motor. Why toss $15-20 away? in favor of having to spend $80 for a motor? ESC's can arguably be the same in price but from what I see a brushed ESC is near half the cost?
Also I think that a FDR rule needs to come into effect. The FF03 is just not equipped to handle the rediculous pinion to spur ratios without major (very fluent hobbiest) modifications and extra parts.
Staying with "silver cans" in this "All Tamiya" class anyway (for now) will allow it not only to stay low cost but also TCS legal.
Perhaps if this class gets more manufacturers involved then move to a 21.5/zero motor rule. But for now while the class is growing....
Just my $1.389
Have the Road Runners contacted other So Cal tracks or race organizers to put these rules in effect for the SGT and SGT+ classes?
My concern with taking FF03 and going brushless is NOT a cost effective alternative. The FF03 (non pro) comes with a motor. Why toss $15-20 away? in favor of having to spend $80 for a motor? ESC's can arguably be the same in price but from what I see a brushed ESC is near half the cost?
Also I think that a FDR rule needs to come into effect. The FF03 is just not equipped to handle the rediculous pinion to spur ratios without major (very fluent hobbiest) modifications and extra parts.
Staying with "silver cans" in this "All Tamiya" class anyway (for now) will allow it not only to stay low cost but also TCS legal.
Perhaps if this class gets more manufacturers involved then move to a 21.5/zero motor rule. But for now while the class is growing....
Just my $1.389
The new FFO3 cars have been allowed to run--because they also have the correct bodies usually, and have been found to be competitive if setup properly. BUT---they already have their OWN class to run in. Changing SUPER GT is not necessary for them to remain TCS legal--they have a class designed for them.
This class has shown great response and is growing---STOP tinkering with it before it has a chance to grow bigger. CHANGE is not always best---leave it alone! Simple cheap esc's and 21.5 motors make you competitive if you learn to drive. Solaris tires last forever, I've got some with over 40 runs on them still working fine!
T
#45
So no one can discuss ideas? I don't see anyone trying to make immediate changes to SGT; People are giving opinions and others are commenting...Kind of the standard discourse you find on the internet.