Werks B6 or Orion Alpha?
#1
Werks B6 or Orion Alpha?
I'm looking at a new engine for my D8 and I can't decide what to go with - the B6 or the Orion Alpha standard plug engine? I can get the Orion for about 60 bucks cheaper and I've been told it gets magnificent fuel mileage, but I've also seen the B6 in action and they rip with the 2013 pipe but don't get the best mileage without the 2057 pipe. I have an ExTech 2013 pipe and a JP-4 (2062) pipe and I'd prefer not to have to buy another pipe for this new engine. Any opinions/experience? I prefer to run a standard plug engine because I don't really notice the minute performance gain from a turbo plug and plugs are much cheaper.
#2
I'm looking at a new engine for my D8 and I can't decide what to go with - the B6 or the Orion Alpha standard plug engine? I can get the Orion for about 60 bucks cheaper and I've been told it gets magnificent fuel mileage, but I've also seen the B6 in action and they rip with the 2013 pipe but don't get the best mileage without the 2057 pipe. I have an ExTech 2013 pipe and a JP-4 (2062) pipe and I'd prefer not to have to buy another pipe for this new engine. Any opinions/experience? I prefer to run a standard plug engine because I don't really notice the minute performance gain from a turbo plug and plugs are much cheaper.
I haven't had a problem with any of the Werks motors. I don't know much about the Orion motors, but I do know they were having some issues with the carburetor. My B6 can go on 9 minute stops without a problem, and if I really wanted to, I could probably stretch it to 11:15 in a 45 minute main. The B6 usually will top out at 9 minute run times for the first 2 gallons or so, but once it is fully broken in, run times will range between 10-11 minutes. I am running a 2013 right now and will most likely switch to a 2057 for indoor just to smooth it out and calm down the motor a little bit. The motor rips but is always under control which is a huge plus. As for your concern with glow plugs, the Werks #5 plug is extremely durable (stronger than a P3) which makes the glow plug last even longer. To be honest, I never have any glow plug problems unless my motors are running extremely lean. If you want you can try my B6 out next weekend if you are at the track. The Extech 2013 might work, but I don't have any experience with that pipe and I don't know how a JP-4 would react.
Hope this helps.
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I'm looking at a new engine for my D8 and I can't decide what to go with - the B6 or the Orion Alpha standard plug engine? I can get the Orion for about 60 bucks cheaper and I've been told it gets magnificent fuel mileage, but I've also seen the B6 in action and they rip with the 2013 pipe but don't get the best mileage without the 2057 pipe. I have an ExTech 2013 pipe and a JP-4 (2062) pipe and I'd prefer not to have to buy another pipe for this new engine. Any opinions/experience? I prefer to run a standard plug engine because I don't really notice the minute performance gain from a turbo plug and plugs are much cheaper.
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So you know, the standard plug Orion 3 port doesn't have the CRF crank, it really doesnt have any of the real Orion perks with it.
I have the Orion Alpha CRF/ABi 7-Port Ceramic and it is a spectacular engine (no carb issues with mine) and would say it is great on fuel, has a ton of SMOOTH power, and has been reliable. But it is a spendy engine.
I have the O'donnell SS .21 and for $190 it has a ton of power and decent mileage. And when my Orion gets tired, I will probably replace it with a O'Donnell and a Orion R2 pipe.
I have the Orion Alpha CRF/ABi 7-Port Ceramic and it is a spectacular engine (no carb issues with mine) and would say it is great on fuel, has a ton of SMOOTH power, and has been reliable. But it is a spendy engine.
I have the O'donnell SS .21 and for $190 it has a ton of power and decent mileage. And when my Orion gets tired, I will probably replace it with a O'Donnell and a Orion R2 pipe.
#6
Your going to be better off with a Werks engine for two reasons.
1) Its one of the best "bang for your buck" engines on the market.
2) There is no customer service like Ron @ Werks!
Also, it should go along great with your EX Tech 2013 pipe!!!
1) Its one of the best "bang for your buck" engines on the market.
2) There is no customer service like Ron @ Werks!
Also, it should go along great with your EX Tech 2013 pipe!!!
#8
CJ - thanks for the info on your engine - your dad told me yesterday that it seemed like you were burning 3/4 of a tank through a 5 min. qualifier with the 2013 pipe and that's why I was worried about fuel mileage.
I had originally been told that the Alpha was identical to the competition edition other than the turbo button and the bearings but I had a tough time believing that since the competition engine's crankcase costs as much as the regular engine itself.
Looks like it'll be a B6 for me . . . . . . now I have to shop around for fuels - probably going to go with Werks for fuel as well but we'll see what I can get the cheapest through my sources that is good quality.
I had originally been told that the Alpha was identical to the competition edition other than the turbo button and the bearings but I had a tough time believing that since the competition engine's crankcase costs as much as the regular engine itself.
Looks like it'll be a B6 for me . . . . . . now I have to shop around for fuels - probably going to go with Werks for fuel as well but we'll see what I can get the cheapest through my sources that is good quality.
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These engines represent the finalization of Adrien Bertin's previous engine projects and fulfill the market's request for high performance engines at a competitive price. Using standard crankshaft technology and other proven components to reduce costs while at the same time maintaining high performance and reliability.
I beleive they use the same case on all the Alphas, they keep the cost down with this engine using the standard crank.
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CJ - thanks for the info on your engine - your dad told me yesterday that it seemed like you were burning 3/4 of a tank through a 5 min. qualifier with the 2013 pipe and that's why I was worried about fuel mileage.
I had originally been told that the Alpha was identical to the competition edition other than the turbo button and the bearings but I had a tough time believing that since the competition engine's crankcase costs as much as the regular engine itself.
Looks like it'll be a B6 for me . . . . . . now I have to shop around for fuels - probably going to go with Werks for fuel as well but we'll see what I can get the cheapest through my sources that is good quality.
I had originally been told that the Alpha was identical to the competition edition other than the turbo button and the bearings but I had a tough time believing that since the competition engine's crankcase costs as much as the regular engine itself.
Looks like it'll be a B6 for me . . . . . . now I have to shop around for fuels - probably going to go with Werks for fuel as well but we'll see what I can get the cheapest through my sources that is good quality.
#11
The B6 gets killer fuel mileage. I get over 10 minutes a tank very time with a 2013, and sometimes I run a VP-Pro RS2 pipe for a little smoother power band and it gets the same xlnt mileage. Orion engines are nice, But I would have to say the b6 takes the cake
#12
Here's the funny part - they have the same carb. Exactly the same. That said, they're both good engines.
#14
Those pit times 11mins everyone is talking about is on a buggy or a truggy ?
I know the 2013 pipe is a gas guzzler would be possible on a 2057, but seems like everyone says that the B6 on a 2057 pipe would push more then 11 ?
That would be seriously impressive....
I know the 2013 pipe is a gas guzzler would be possible on a 2057, but seems like everyone says that the B6 on a 2057 pipe would push more then 11 ?
That would be seriously impressive....