Ernest Provetti Open letter to RC Industry
01-15-2010, 04:14 PM
#121
I have an idea.
Open motor, open to all drivers, Qualifying is not separated out by class or motor , just times. The faster X percent are in the Pro Class, the next X percent are in Expert, the next X percent are in Sportsman the remainder go in novice.
It seems to me that would stop the sandbagging/moaning/whining/etc.
In short, I could be in a Qual race with Barry Baker, I know he is going to whomp me! He quals for Pro and me for "Get the heck off the track you don't even belong here".
Or for smaller club races base it off of practice times throughout the day or something.
The "Class" seems subjective to me. Am I a Novice or am I Sportsman? Who knows? The only real determination is the amount of times I can get around the track in 5 minutes, how clean I run, etc. That is the real determination in my mind.
Open motor, open to all drivers, Qualifying is not separated out by class or motor , just times. The faster X percent are in the Pro Class, the next X percent are in Expert, the next X percent are in Sportsman the remainder go in novice.
It seems to me that would stop the sandbagging/moaning/whining/etc.
In short, I could be in a Qual race with Barry Baker, I know he is going to whomp me! He quals for Pro and me for "Get the heck off the track you don't even belong here".
Or for smaller club races base it off of practice times throughout the day or something.
The "Class" seems subjective to me. Am I a Novice or am I Sportsman? Who knows? The only real determination is the amount of times I can get around the track in 5 minutes, how clean I run, etc. That is the real determination in my mind.
01-15-2010, 04:43 PM
#123
NO I didn't. (said it last, got my fingers crossed) 
If I save $10 on a motor, the discount didn't make me faster. I was going to buy the motor anyway. If I bought 9 motors and you could only afford 8 with the same money, did I really get an advantage over you on the track? The same motor, car, speedo, etc... is available to everyone else in the market. My point is that if I drop my sponsors, I'm still the same driver, with the same talent. Now I just pay more for my stuff.
Answer to this problem is: create a new NOVICE / AMATEUR class but still allow sponsored drivers to race 17.5. Choose whatever motor you want for novice, but why force other drivers into a faster class when they are happy with the one they're in?
If I save $10 on a motor, the discount didn't make me faster. I was going to buy the motor anyway. If I bought 9 motors and you could only afford 8 with the same money, did I really get an advantage over you on the track? The same motor, car, speedo, etc... is available to everyone else in the market. My point is that if I drop my sponsors, I'm still the same driver, with the same talent. Now I just pay more for my stuff. Answer to this problem is: create a new NOVICE / AMATEUR class but still allow sponsored drivers to race 17.5. Choose whatever motor you want for novice, but why force other drivers into a faster class when they are happy with the one they're in?
well said as well as your prev post.... AFter all we only race one set of tires, one motor and one ESC at a time... Having 10 of each in the pits dont help you once u hit the track. Great drivers win races...
01-15-2010, 04:58 PM
#125
Tech Addict
Surprised no one has mentioned it yet. The one thing it may do is make a few manufacturers rethink some of the 50% sponsorships that they use to move products out the door at a higher price that wholesale. I could see where a bunch of local hobby shops might stand to gain, keep tracks open, giving new racers a place to start.
Talk about thread drift
Ed M.
Talk about thread drift
Ed M.
01-15-2010, 05:10 PM
#126
NO I didn't. (said it last, got my fingers crossed) If I save $10 on a motor, the discount didn't make me faster. I was going to buy the motor anyway. If I bought 9 motors and you could only afford 8 with the same money, did I really get an advantage over you on the track? The same motor, car, speedo, etc... is available to everyone else in the market. My point is that if I drop my sponsors, I'm still the same driver, with the same talent. Now I just pay more for my stuff. ?
If I save $10 on a motor, the discount didn't make me faster. I was going to buy the motor anyway. If I bought 9 motors and you could only afford 8 with the same money, did I really get an advantage over you on the track? The same motor, car, speedo, etc... is available to everyone else in the market. My point is that if I drop my sponsors, I'm still the same driver, with the same talent. Now I just pay more for my stuff. ?
01-15-2010, 05:11 PM
#127
paraphrasing one of the few bumperstickers I actually like:
Shut up and drive!!
I mean, really... pick a class, build your car, practice, race, lose, learn, its all fun. There are plenty of 'slow' options for novices in VTA, F1 silvercan, TCS, Mini, etc...
Shut up and drive!!
I mean, really... pick a class, build your car, practice, race, lose, learn, its all fun. There are plenty of 'slow' options for novices in VTA, F1 silvercan, TCS, Mini, etc...
01-15-2010, 05:11 PM
#128
Using spec tires would be the easiest and very cost effective way to regulate how fast the cars in the lower level classes can go and let people run any motor and esc they wanted. It wouldnt matter how fast your car was if you didnt have the traction to use it. Also racing with tires that didnt have the best traction would help the drivers to develop car and throttle control.
Just a thought....
Just a thought....
01-15-2010, 05:16 PM
#129
Using spec tires would be the easiest and very cost effective way to regulate how fast the cars in the lower level classes can go and let people run any motor and esc they wanted. It wouldnt matter how fast your car was if you didnt have the traction to use it. Also racing with tires that didnt have the best traction would help the drivers to develop car and throttle control.
Just a thought....
Just a thought....
01-15-2010, 05:23 PM
#130
Not really...I don't know about RCGT but VTA also keeps the motor within limits of the traction of the tires for the most part. Limiting traction alone only creates unsafe cars as people largely will overdrive the tires. The best way to limit speeds is through limiting power...after that you can think about limiting traction.
Besides...I for one don't find it enjoyable to drive a loose car...some people do, some people don't.
Besides...I for one don't find it enjoyable to drive a loose car...some people do, some people don't.
01-15-2010, 05:28 PM
#131
Not really...I don't know about RCGT but VTA also keeps the motor within limits of the traction of the tires for the most part. Limiting traction alone only creates unsafe cars as people largely will overdrive the tires. The best way to limit speeds is through limiting power...after that you can think about limiting traction.
Besides...I for one don't find it enjoyable to drive a loose car...some people do, some people don't.
Besides...I for one don't find it enjoyable to drive a loose car...some people do, some people don't.
Last edited by RC Racer OG; 01-15-2010 at 06:09 PM.
01-15-2010, 06:05 PM
#132
It has been awhile since we haven't ran 1/8th out here in over 10 years for on-road...but yeah that's a good example of too much power and not enough traction and how dangerous that can be.
01-15-2010, 06:46 PM
#135
NO I didn't. (said it last, got my fingers crossed) If I save $10 on a motor, the discount didn't make me faster. I was going to buy the motor anyway. If I bought 9 motors and you could only afford 8 with the same money, did I really get an advantage over you on the track? The same motor, car, speedo, etc... is available to everyone else in the market. My point is that if I drop my sponsors, I'm still the same driver, with the same talent. Now I just pay more for my stuff.
Answer to this problem is: create a new NOVICE / AMATEUR class but still allow sponsored drivers to race 17.5. Choose whatever motor you want for novice, but why force other drivers into a faster class when they are happy with the one they're in?
If I save $10 on a motor, the discount didn't make me faster. I was going to buy the motor anyway. If I bought 9 motors and you could only afford 8 with the same money, did I really get an advantage over you on the track? The same motor, car, speedo, etc... is available to everyone else in the market. My point is that if I drop my sponsors, I'm still the same driver, with the same talent. Now I just pay more for my stuff. Answer to this problem is: create a new NOVICE / AMATEUR class but still allow sponsored drivers to race 17.5. Choose whatever motor you want for novice, but why force other drivers into a faster class when they are happy with the one they're in?
I'm done stirring the pot.