Prototype ESC's - ROAR, Legal, Fair, Sportsmanship, Opinions?
09-16-2009, 10:14 AM
#421
09-16-2009, 10:15 AM
#422
Finally some one with a commen sense thank you rick for your input
Wild cherry one question for you would you of won if brian was not runnig the speedo ? answer no because your a tool bag i will explain this for the tenth time already the speedo has a built in voltage regulator the speedo will not even turn on with a 3.7 volt 1 cell lipo so thats why the reciever pack goes to the speedo they tested output voltage i n tech after all of the speedo issues were brought up it was the same as everyother speedo.
as for holding out on a advantage doubt that frank didnt even decide to go to vegas till a week before the race. tekin held out of softwear as did KO and no one is bitchin$ about that .
just drop this subject if you want to make it a he should not of been in that class fine but dont make him or CRC out to be cheaters when they did nothing wrong
Wild cherry one question for you would you of won if brian was not runnig the speedo ? answer no because your a tool bag i will explain this for the tenth time already the speedo has a built in voltage regulator the speedo will not even turn on with a 3.7 volt 1 cell lipo so thats why the reciever pack goes to the speedo they tested output voltage i n tech after all of the speedo issues were brought up it was the same as everyother speedo.
as for holding out on a advantage doubt that frank didnt even decide to go to vegas till a week before the race. tekin held out of softwear as did KO and no one is bitchin$ about that .
just drop this subject if you want to make it a he should not of been in that class fine but dont make him or CRC out to be cheaters when they did nothing wrong
09-16-2009, 10:16 AM
#423
What is fair about using equipment that is not commercialy availible to all the racers??If I had approached each stock/superstock with aa component that would legally remove .2 sec off each lap time with the understanding that they would be the only driver to receive it, how many would turn it down?? My guess is 0.
09-16-2009, 10:17 AM
#425
it ain't cheating is there are no rules. boosting the power inside the speedo is legal. running a cap that provideds extra power is definately legal. running a secondary battery that is used to boost voltage to the motor is illegal, but very hard to find. there are several "legal" way to cheat because, well there are no rules governing what the speedo can and can't do.
09-16-2009, 10:18 AM
#426
It is no different than you buying something from a website operated in hong kong or some other city, or ebay.
09-16-2009, 10:21 AM
#427
I dont agree with Rick.
First, modified in not suitable for all tracks or drivers. It will drive people out of the hobby if you make it so they destroy a car each run.
Second, who decided if I can run Expert, Am, Pro, or whatever you call it?? RC Pro series did that this year. I dont think it was well received.
Third, Its my entry fee money and no ones life is at stake. So if I want to sign up as pro or novice I will. I dont think you should try this idea. If we were really inside the cars racing against each other, and bodily harm was involved you would have a point. You'll get to many people saying " no ones gonna tell me Im not a Pro"
Just my 2 cents
First, modified in not suitable for all tracks or drivers. It will drive people out of the hobby if you make it so they destroy a car each run.
Second, who decided if I can run Expert, Am, Pro, or whatever you call it?? RC Pro series did that this year. I dont think it was well received.
Third, Its my entry fee money and no ones life is at stake. So if I want to sign up as pro or novice I will. I dont think you should try this idea. If we were really inside the cars racing against each other, and bodily harm was involved you would have a point. You'll get to many people saying " no ones gonna tell me Im not a Pro"
Just my 2 cents
My point is that you can eliminate the motor of the week, special ESC programs, special ESCs, etc if you eliminate the need for them.
09-16-2009, 10:23 AM
#428
they did not test it in tech. as a matter of fact you can not check that with any of the equipment on the tech table. if it were brushed, then yes, you can check it with a dvm. but now with brushless, a simple dvm would not be able to determine the power to the motor. remember the motor wire from the speedos are now the things that make the rotor spin. that is why you have 3 and not 2 wires
09-16-2009, 10:38 AM
#429
Modified is not a fixed wind like it is in the stock classes. Modified will mean different things to different people. For me it was a 4.5. for others it might be a 6.5. And others a 13.5 or even 17.5.
My point is that you can eliminate the motor of the week, special ESC programs, special ESCs, etc if you eliminate the need for them.
My point is that you can eliminate the motor of the week, special ESC programs, special ESCs, etc if you eliminate the need for them.
Rick can you send me an email so we can discuss our article?
09-16-2009, 10:43 AM
#430
Chris, this is not what happened. Let this be cleared for the umpteenth time. What did happen is that some guys found a speed control commercially available in europe and used it at the race. That is what happened.
It is no different than you buying something from a website operated in hong kong or some other city, or ebay.
It is no different than you buying something from a website operated in hong kong or some other city, or ebay.
09-16-2009, 10:43 AM
#431
As far as I can tell there is no rule that says the ESC has to be commercially available.
If I had approached each stock/superstock with aa component that would legally remove .2 sec off each lap time with the understanding that they would be the only driver to receive it, how many would turn it down?? My guess is 0.
If I had approached each stock/superstock with aa component that would legally remove .2 sec off each lap time with the understanding that they would be the only driver to receive it, how many would turn it down?? My guess is 0.
Chris, this is not what happened. Let this be cleared for the umpteenth time. What did happen is that some guys found a speed control commercially available in europe and used it at the race. That is what happened.
It is no different than you buying something from a website operated in hong kong or some other city, or ebay.
It is no different than you buying something from a website operated in hong kong or some other city, or ebay.
09-16-2009, 10:44 AM
#432
I just found this part entertaining. That's all.
okay, they need some level of power to function.
?? it just smooths out the voltage spikes to quell interference. extra power how? from what? the total energy can only be so much. The boys at the CIA/NSA/DARPA or other secret agencies might want to know how that would work if it was the case.
As it has always been. If there is a way to design/make something, there is a way to check/verify something so that its within tolerance of what it was made to be. Otherwise this would be "cutting edge" and this.. is definitely not cutting edge technology unless this was 1980something (and thats a conservative number).
There's only one thing for it to do. Put the available given power from the primary source to the motor in a controlled fashion in the most efficient manner to the track where it can best be used. You can't have timing rules because of the design of the whole system.
Please tell me what can be done to some how "cheat" rules that do not exist.
I give you that there might some how be something that the entire toy car racing electronics industry is keeping back, or not making aware of to the rule makers which I thought helped make up the rules to begin with. But then wouldn't they all be taking advantage of it?
Please give me something specific so I can understand what I seem to be missing or unaware of. I'm on the board that makes rules for a local series here.. so any info is appreciated.
okay, they need some level of power to function.
?? it just smooths out the voltage spikes to quell interference. extra power how? from what? the total energy can only be so much. The boys at the CIA/NSA/DARPA or other secret agencies might want to know how that would work if it was the case.
Please tell me what can be done to some how "cheat" rules that do not exist.
I give you that there might some how be something that the entire toy car racing electronics industry is keeping back, or not making aware of to the rule makers which I thought helped make up the rules to begin with. But then wouldn't they all be taking advantage of it?
Please give me something specific so I can understand what I seem to be missing or unaware of. I'm on the board that makes rules for a local series here.. so any info is appreciated.
09-16-2009, 10:50 AM
#433
According to some its been available since 2008. Chances are its been in a race. Maybe its just finally being used by people who can put it up front.
09-16-2009, 10:52 AM
#434
I just found this part entertaining. That's all.
okay, they need some level of power to function.
?? it just smooths out the voltage spikes to quell interference. extra power how? from what? the total energy can only be so much. The boys at the CIA/NSA/DARPA or other secret agencies might want to know how that would work if it was the case.
As it has always been. If there is a way to design/make something, there is a way to check/verify something so that its within tolerance of what it was made to be. Otherwise this would be "cutting edge" and this.. is definitely not cutting edge technology unless this was 1980something (and thats a conservative number).
There's only one thing for it to do. Put the available given power from the primary source to the motor in a controlled fashion in the most efficient manner to the track where it can best be used. You can't have timing rules because of the design of the whole system.
Please tell me what can be done to some how "cheat" rules that do not exist.
I give you that there might some how be something that the entire toy car racing electronics industry is keeping back, or not making aware of to the rule makers which I thought helped make up the rules to begin with. But then wouldn't they all be taking advantage of it?
Please give me something specific so I can understand what I seem to be missing or unaware of. I'm on the board that makes rules for a local series here.. so any info is appreciated.
okay, they need some level of power to function.
?? it just smooths out the voltage spikes to quell interference. extra power how? from what? the total energy can only be so much. The boys at the CIA/NSA/DARPA or other secret agencies might want to know how that would work if it was the case.
As it has always been. If there is a way to design/make something, there is a way to check/verify something so that its within tolerance of what it was made to be. Otherwise this would be "cutting edge" and this.. is definitely not cutting edge technology unless this was 1980something (and thats a conservative number).
There's only one thing for it to do. Put the available given power from the primary source to the motor in a controlled fashion in the most efficient manner to the track where it can best be used. You can't have timing rules because of the design of the whole system.
Please tell me what can be done to some how "cheat" rules that do not exist.
I give you that there might some how be something that the entire toy car racing electronics industry is keeping back, or not making aware of to the rule makers which I thought helped make up the rules to begin with. But then wouldn't they all be taking advantage of it?
Please give me something specific so I can understand what I seem to be missing or unaware of. I'm on the board that makes rules for a local series here.. so any info is appreciated.