SMC 4000/25C/3.7V single cell Hardcase pack.
01-21-2009, 05:26 AM
#661
I have bullet connectors on my pack and I didn't have to hack it all up. It's not rocket science to solder a couple of connectors on and shrink over them.
If I were running single cell all the time I would hardwire the pack directly to the speedo and have it done with. There's really no need for the connectors if your speedo has solder tabs.
If I were running single cell all the time I would hardwire the pack directly to the speedo and have it done with. There's really no need for the connectors if your speedo has solder tabs.
01-21-2009, 05:35 AM
#662
01-21-2009, 06:01 AM
#663
danny you have a pm thanks albie
01-21-2009, 06:46 AM
#665
01-21-2009, 07:23 AM
#667
Tech Fanatic
01-21-2009, 08:22 AM
#668
Quote from Danny:
From what I understand ROAR will freeze the current case size and 5700 will not be possible as that was with the original case that was to high. For those looking for higher capacity and C rate for mod it will be possible for us to make such a pack as there is room left inside the current case.
As far as barrel connectors go it will not happen as there are to many disadvantages to this style connection. Barrels can come apart of the circuit board, Extra solder points due to the circuit board and wear and tear of the of the barrel can increase resistance. Out board connectors can be changed plus can't be plugged backwards
How can ROAR be freezing the case size already. There are too many things that need to be settled before a case size can be defined. I think we need over 5000 mah for these packs, and we haven't figured out what the weight of the cars is going to be.
Danny as for barrel connectors have you tried to wire one of these packs with the dean connectors in a 1/12 scale car? It sucks, the connector and wires are way too big. I will be buying the packs that have barrel connectors. Right now I am hard wiring with out a connector, not the safest method. If the barrels get broke or wear out then I buy a new pack no biggie.
If we can get more Mah and barrel connectors the switch to this will be immediate. These packs work great and the lighter weight does reduce wear.
From what I understand ROAR will freeze the current case size and 5700 will not be possible as that was with the original case that was to high. For those looking for higher capacity and C rate for mod it will be possible for us to make such a pack as there is room left inside the current case.
As far as barrel connectors go it will not happen as there are to many disadvantages to this style connection. Barrels can come apart of the circuit board, Extra solder points due to the circuit board and wear and tear of the of the barrel can increase resistance. Out board connectors can be changed plus can't be plugged backwards
How can ROAR be freezing the case size already. There are too many things that need to be settled before a case size can be defined. I think we need over 5000 mah for these packs, and we haven't figured out what the weight of the cars is going to be.
Danny as for barrel connectors have you tried to wire one of these packs with the dean connectors in a 1/12 scale car? It sucks, the connector and wires are way too big. I will be buying the packs that have barrel connectors. Right now I am hard wiring with out a connector, not the safest method. If the barrels get broke or wear out then I buy a new pack no biggie.
If we can get more Mah and barrel connectors the switch to this will be immediate. These packs work great and the lighter weight does reduce wear.
01-21-2009, 08:40 AM
#669
Tech Master
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Quote from Danny:
From what I understand ROAR will freeze the current case size and 5700 will not be possible as that was with the original case that was to high. For those looking for higher capacity and C rate for mod it will be possible for us to make such a pack as there is room left inside the current case.
As far as barrel connectors go it will not happen as there are to many disadvantages to this style connection. Barrels can come apart of the circuit board, Extra solder points due to the circuit board and wear and tear of the of the barrel can increase resistance. Out board connectors can be changed plus can't be plugged backwards
How can ROAR be freezing the case size already. There are too many things that need to be settled before a case size can be defined. I think we need over 5000 mah for these packs, and we haven't figured out what the weight of the cars is going to be.
Danny as for barrel connectors have you tried to wire one of these packs with the dean connectors in a 1/12 scale car? It sucks, the connector and wires are way too big. I will be buying the packs that have barrel connectors. Right now I am hard wiring with out a connector, not the safest method. If the barrels get broke or wear out then I buy a new pack no biggie.
If we can get more Mah and barrel connectors the switch to this will be immediate. These packs work great and the lighter weight does reduce wear.
From what I understand ROAR will freeze the current case size and 5700 will not be possible as that was with the original case that was to high. For those looking for higher capacity and C rate for mod it will be possible for us to make such a pack as there is room left inside the current case.
As far as barrel connectors go it will not happen as there are to many disadvantages to this style connection. Barrels can come apart of the circuit board, Extra solder points due to the circuit board and wear and tear of the of the barrel can increase resistance. Out board connectors can be changed plus can't be plugged backwards
How can ROAR be freezing the case size already. There are too many things that need to be settled before a case size can be defined. I think we need over 5000 mah for these packs, and we haven't figured out what the weight of the cars is going to be.
Danny as for barrel connectors have you tried to wire one of these packs with the dean connectors in a 1/12 scale car? It sucks, the connector and wires are way too big. I will be buying the packs that have barrel connectors. Right now I am hard wiring with out a connector, not the safest method. If the barrels get broke or wear out then I buy a new pack no biggie.
If we can get more Mah and barrel connectors the switch to this will be immediate. These packs work great and the lighter weight does reduce wear.
01-21-2009, 08:49 AM
#671
you are my hero stanton
mine was a real pain in the ass to get under my shell with the way i got it all laid out. i opened mine up to and used 16 ga and switched the wires to come out the other side.my wiring still needs to be cleaned up cuz im still trying ti figure out my rec pack local but its all good now. i love this pack even tho ive only run it once
mine was a real pain in the ass to get under my shell with the way i got it all laid out. i opened mine up to and used 16 ga and switched the wires to come out the other side.my wiring still needs to be cleaned up cuz im still trying ti figure out my rec pack local but its all good now. i love this pack even tho ive only run it once
Last edited by buffalobill989; 01-21-2009 at 09:02 AM.
01-21-2009, 09:20 AM
#672
Quote from Danny:
From what I understand ROAR will freeze the current case size and 5700 will not be possible as that was with the original case that was to high. For those looking for higher capacity and C rate for mod it will be possible for us to make such a pack as there is room left inside the current case.
As far as barrel connectors go it will not happen as there are to many disadvantages to this style connection. Barrels can come apart of the circuit board, Extra solder points due to the circuit board and wear and tear of the of the barrel can increase resistance. Out board connectors can be changed plus can't be plugged backwards
How can ROAR be freezing the case size already. There are too many things that need to be settled before a case size can be defined. I think we need over 5000 mah for these packs, and we haven't figured out what the weight of the cars is going to be.
Danny as for barrel connectors have you tried to wire one of these packs with the dean connectors in a 1/12 scale car? It sucks, the connector and wires are way too big. I will be buying the packs that have barrel connectors. Right now I am hard wiring with out a connector, not the safest method. If the barrels get broke or wear out then I buy a new pack no biggie.
If we can get more Mah and barrel connectors the switch to this will be immediate. These packs work great and the lighter weight does reduce wear.
From what I understand ROAR will freeze the current case size and 5700 will not be possible as that was with the original case that was to high. For those looking for higher capacity and C rate for mod it will be possible for us to make such a pack as there is room left inside the current case.
As far as barrel connectors go it will not happen as there are to many disadvantages to this style connection. Barrels can come apart of the circuit board, Extra solder points due to the circuit board and wear and tear of the of the barrel can increase resistance. Out board connectors can be changed plus can't be plugged backwards
How can ROAR be freezing the case size already. There are too many things that need to be settled before a case size can be defined. I think we need over 5000 mah for these packs, and we haven't figured out what the weight of the cars is going to be.
Danny as for barrel connectors have you tried to wire one of these packs with the dean connectors in a 1/12 scale car? It sucks, the connector and wires are way too big. I will be buying the packs that have barrel connectors. Right now I am hard wiring with out a connector, not the safest method. If the barrels get broke or wear out then I buy a new pack no biggie.
If we can get more Mah and barrel connectors the switch to this will be immediate. These packs work great and the lighter weight does reduce wear.
There is no need for capacity to be higher. That being sai we have room inside the case to make it higher and increase the C rate.
A racer can choose to use whatever conenctors he want and shorten the wires if needed. This pack is also used in many oval classes so it needs to be versatile.
We will let our competitors use inboard connectors if they feel it's the way to do.
As far as case size and having it frozen that is to keep things from getting out of hand.
01-21-2009, 09:23 AM
#673
I'd like to hardwire right to the speedo's posts, but then taking the pack out for charging and putting it back in to run would pretty much mean soldering to those posts eight times per race day (that's just heats and mains, never mind practice)
I AM confident in my soldering skills, but even so, i think I'd prefer to make the eight times a day soldering point somewhere other than the single most expensive component in the car.
I think the idea of adding barrels to the case makes the msot sense. If it's illegal to modify the case for internal barrels, and no one offers a pack with them, then I'd go the external barrels w/heatshrink route that Fred mentioned. Not my first pick, but better than soldering on my ESC all day in my opinon.
I know the Deans plug has no more resistance than a straight shot of wire, but they can be a royal PITA to plug and unplug sometimes. They get the job done, but if there's a way to go without them, I'll choose that route.
01-21-2009, 10:30 AM
#675
My speedo happens to have nice easy to solder tabs and that's what I would do.
Otherwise, there are many other ways to wire things up with the SMC pack. Bullets, Deans, hardwire, plug location etc. It's all fair game with wires coming out of the pack. Bullets in the pack will limit you to one specific location and one specific type of connector that may or may not be very good.
With some of the t-bar guys looking at running this pack on one side of the car it's important to be able to flip the pack over. You can't do that with bullet connectors.
Limiting the capacity should NOT be an issue. We made time in mod with 2000 mAh not too long ago and it shouldn't be that hard to do it now. Perhaps it's time to actually drive a 12th car again instead of just pinning it for 8 minutes and drilling everything that gets in the way. The current 4 cell cars can easily go 50+ mph on a reasonable size carpet track so it's not like they need to go any faster.
Otherwise, there are many other ways to wire things up with the SMC pack. Bullets, Deans, hardwire, plug location etc. It's all fair game with wires coming out of the pack. Bullets in the pack will limit you to one specific location and one specific type of connector that may or may not be very good.
With some of the t-bar guys looking at running this pack on one side of the car it's important to be able to flip the pack over. You can't do that with bullet connectors.
Limiting the capacity should NOT be an issue. We made time in mod with 2000 mAh not too long ago and it shouldn't be that hard to do it now. Perhaps it's time to actually drive a 12th car again instead of just pinning it for 8 minutes and drilling everything that gets in the way. The current 4 cell cars can easily go 50+ mph on a reasonable size carpet track so it's not like they need to go any faster.