bertrandsv87

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Scale factor, although correct, does not change the fact that alot of racers have already invested in those 190mm+ cars. So should they throw their cars in the garbage ?

NoRookie

What "scale," whose scale, who made up that width, what real road or race cars have exactly the same width, and doesn't real F1 change their scale or specs and their appearance and tire requirements depending on Bernie's mood literally every year?

Pro10noob

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Hehehehehe but it gives you a better control of the car.
More flex at the rear and better handling.
What i said before.
I did drive them head to head and they are almost identical.
The F104W is just a bit heavier then the F103.
This is why the F104 is just an tiny bit slower in the same config as the F103.
If i put the same amount of alloy on the F103 it would do the same laptimes.

regards Roy

InspGadgt

A lot of racers have also bought 180mm F104's, Tech racing 180mm cars, and converted F109s...should they start throwing their cars in the garbage and buying 200mm cars when they start getting spanked by 200mm cars that don't look scale?

The line has got to be drawn somewhere...no matter where that is there will be people who will not be happy with it. 2 classes would be great...if there were enough racers to support it...but we already have too much class dilution due to too many on-road classes in general.

InspGadgt

I ran 200mm against 235mm cars as well when I ran the HPI 10GW pan car...my 235mm car had a significant advantage over my 200mm car. If I could have got parts support for my EV10 I would have gone back to it...unfortunately it wasn't long after that that pan car racing died out completely in my area so I was never able to go back to 235mm.

artoftatt2

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i have a trg111 that is within tmaiyas104 width range and can easily keep up with 103s...

rccartips

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I think with rubber tires, width becomes a non-issue. Has anyone with an F103 gone faster than F104 on rubber?

Pro10noob

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Yeah in the rain we did

regards Roy

GasGod

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It shouldI have an exotek that I put an old trinity revolver front on; and same deal-

Odin544

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Some people will never get it. And even if they do they won't admit it. They feed off of bitching and complaining. They will look for anything to complain about. Hense the blaming Tamiya bs.

bertrandsv87

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If F1 racers were forced to switch chassis it was from 200mm down, not the other way around. 180mm cars came after the 200mm f103's , so you can't come with that argument ! If the 200mm class died out it's because the manufacturers started making 180mm cars out of the scale factor excuse, but we know it's really because of their bottomline ! Not all the racers wanted to switch from 200mm to 180mm, the same way no one wants to go from 180mm to 190mm now. You are right that someone has to draw the line somewhere, and that person has always been the manufacturers defending their bottomline, even if that means ignoring the racers. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes, and listen more to the racers...

InspGadgt

Then the guys running pan car rims and tires wouldn't be able to play unless they run oval capped tires.

bertrandsv87

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I think it is possible to make an adapter to go from pan type screws to tamiya hexes...

bertrandsv87

iTrader: (2)

It's also possible to reduce the width of the pan car with the adapters sporting shorter tamiya rear rubber tires, and come up with shorter A arms for the front suspension to make the pan car chassis legal...I am sure it will be most welcomed by F1 pan chassis owners who wish to participate..

InspGadgt

200mm died out long before 180mm cars came out. It is the 180mm cars that brought F1 back into popularity. 200mm cars largely died out because Tamiya stopped making them and because a lot of people did not want to compete with F103s vs converted pan cars. At that time Tamiya stopped making the F103 and the class died. A few years later they came out with the F201 and F1 had a small resurgence but then died out again this time before Tamiya discontinued support as the car just was never all that popular among F1 racers. Fast forward to a couple of years ago and Tamiya releases the F103 15th anniversary edition and people start to think about F1 again and start dusting stuff off...but it didn't really seem to take off again until the F104 was released.

Like it or not...Tamiya drives the F1 market and other manufacturers just follow along. Why is it that Tamiya is the one successful at doing this? Do they make the best chassis? Not hardly...they make the most realistic car and body combination out there and that is what attracts people to the class. Like Slash, VTA, and RCGT, one of the biggest (if not the biggest) factor in bringing people into the class is the scale realism. And the most scale looking cars to current F1s are the 180mm cars. I love my F103s but I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago and made the switch.