The future of 1/12 scale
10-23-2008, 10:56 AM
#166
Tech Apprentice
Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel. Everyone has great ideas. The one that will work the best is going to be the one that costs the least to change over to. Every 2 cell Li-po idea needs either a different speedo/motor than what we are accustomed to running (what we already have). This means your going to have buy more stuff. Sorry to be so blunt but it is what it is.
Everyone says lipo is the future, its easier, lasts longer blah blah blah. I disagree. I don't dislike the idea of running lipo's (I run them in my touring car) but i dont feel it is superior to nimh. The nimh cells I have are now 3 months old, I haven't had one problem with them. Leave a little charge in them (i just leave mine alone after my last run of the day, usually leaves about 150-160 sec. of runtime in them at 35amps), discharge, equalize and charge them. Not really rocket science. And the misconception that lipo's doesn't have problems? bs. I had one blow up like a balloon recently and I did nothing wrong with it. I don't care what you are using you will have your bad eggs lipo or nimh.
I do feel though that having a lipo alternative to run in 1/12th is a must as the general theory nowadays for the avg. local racer is it must be lipo or its not good. Whats wrong with the simple 1 cell lipo? Every season people buy a couple packs, so you buy a 40 to 45 dollar 1 cell lipo. Slap it in your car and go. It'll slow stock down a lil which wont be a bad idea. Also, you can run a 13.5 and run in the current stock class using the lipo if you want. That is what I am going to offer at my track (360 RC) in the coming weeks when the 1 cell lipo is released.
1/12th Stock= 17.5/4 cell OR 13.5/1 cell Lipo
Run em together, all the testing I've done they are dam equel.
Thanks
Donny Lia
360rcspeedway.com
Everyone says lipo is the future, its easier, lasts longer blah blah blah. I disagree. I don't dislike the idea of running lipo's (I run them in my touring car) but i dont feel it is superior to nimh. The nimh cells I have are now 3 months old, I haven't had one problem with them. Leave a little charge in them (i just leave mine alone after my last run of the day, usually leaves about 150-160 sec. of runtime in them at 35amps), discharge, equalize and charge them. Not really rocket science. And the misconception that lipo's doesn't have problems? bs. I had one blow up like a balloon recently and I did nothing wrong with it. I don't care what you are using you will have your bad eggs lipo or nimh.
I do feel though that having a lipo alternative to run in 1/12th is a must as the general theory nowadays for the avg. local racer is it must be lipo or its not good. Whats wrong with the simple 1 cell lipo? Every season people buy a couple packs, so you buy a 40 to 45 dollar 1 cell lipo. Slap it in your car and go. It'll slow stock down a lil which wont be a bad idea. Also, you can run a 13.5 and run in the current stock class using the lipo if you want. That is what I am going to offer at my track (360 RC) in the coming weeks when the 1 cell lipo is released.
1/12th Stock= 17.5/4 cell OR 13.5/1 cell Lipo
Run em together, all the testing I've done they are dam equel.
Thanks
Donny Lia
360rcspeedway.com
10-23-2008, 11:00 AM
#167
Tech Fanatic
DONNY LIA FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10-23-2008, 11:40 AM
#168
10-23-2008, 12:27 PM
#170
That is just the problem...many times they do not stick out. Speaking as a race director, without teching the cars intricately a lot of things won't get picked up. We all have seen how some motors are just faster then others right out of the box and the same for batteries. And in my other hobby I used to enjoy, paintball, electronic cheating was setup so it could be turned on and off by trigger pull combinations. That way every time the gun was tech inspected it would always pass. It sucks that people feel the need to cheat, and a pain in the butt to catch them. But any time you have competition organized or not, eventually someone will cheat.
10-23-2008, 12:37 PM
#171
Tech Apprentice
10-23-2008, 01:24 PM
#172
1/12th Stock= 17.5/4 cell OR 13.5/1 cell Lipo
Run em together, all the testing I've done they are dam equel.
Thanks
Donny Lia
360rcspeedway.com[/QUOTE]
Roger that !!
y didnt my quote thingy work?
Run em together, all the testing I've done they are dam equel.
Thanks
Donny Lia
360rcspeedway.com[/QUOTE]
Roger that !!
y didnt my quote thingy work?
10-23-2008, 01:33 PM
#173
this has all got me excited to run my 1/12 again. im going to try the 1 cell 3600 deal and see if i like it. it will be easier for me to run lipo in all my cars and not have to keep moving bats in and out and taping every time. ive been waiting for this for a while and its coming true
10-23-2008, 01:40 PM
#174
The nimh cells I have are now 3 months old, I haven't had one problem with them. Leave a little charge in them (i just leave mine alone after my last run of the day, usually leaves about 150-160 sec. of runtime in them at 35amps), discharge, equalize and charge them. Not really rocket science.
...........Today's packs are truly awesome!!......... Plus I have my LRP Pulsar 3 Charger that does both types of Batts and very small in the pits.
........ (2) 4-cell packs is all I need for a Race day and the Batts. kick ass in the Main!
........ Viva la 1/12 Scale racing!!
.......... Bottom line, you don't need much to get invoved in some good OL' fashion racing.
10-23-2008, 02:08 PM
#175
I dont see how lipos arent an equalizer..
My Orion 3600 and 3800's are identical on the track.
My 5000 SMC packs are punchier but both are the same... even tho I dont care for the Deans plug on them. (Can't use them in my buggy)
Even the 2 different flight power packs for my heli are IDENTICAL in performence. Same for the planes.
For me its all about the packaging ... the Orions have my nod. Carbon print.. bullit connectors... indexing rounds on the bottom. Perfect ! The smooth bottom cases juse dont stay in the car very well. And they dont fit very many cars. Wires comming out the side kills it for the B4, T4... many others too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would need 3 or 4 4600's for each pan car but only 1 Lipo each for the 10R5 and 12R5. The only thing that gets me is the balancing plug . For a 2 cell pack there seems to be 2 or 3 different connectors. I wont need an expensive and cumbersome discharger... no nursing of packs. Way less B.S. Their longevity is way way more reliable . Plug and play man. No soldering ...no bars... no discharging.... just more time to tweak my car. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. And I dont care which ones are faster. Less is More! Matching , zapping ,, rematching .. all history in my book. As far as what classes i run depends on what ppl show up and what they run... T/C is fun ... 12th is a blast! I love 'em all.
My Orion 3600 and 3800's are identical on the track.
My 5000 SMC packs are punchier but both are the same... even tho I dont care for the Deans plug on them. (Can't use them in my buggy)
Even the 2 different flight power packs for my heli are IDENTICAL in performence. Same for the planes.
For me its all about the packaging ... the Orions have my nod. Carbon print.. bullit connectors... indexing rounds on the bottom. Perfect ! The smooth bottom cases juse dont stay in the car very well. And they dont fit very many cars. Wires comming out the side kills it for the B4, T4... many others too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would need 3 or 4 4600's for each pan car but only 1 Lipo each for the 10R5 and 12R5. The only thing that gets me is the balancing plug . For a 2 cell pack there seems to be 2 or 3 different connectors. I wont need an expensive and cumbersome discharger... no nursing of packs. Way less B.S. Their longevity is way way more reliable . Plug and play man. No soldering ...no bars... no discharging.... just more time to tweak my car. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. And I dont care which ones are faster. Less is More! Matching , zapping ,, rematching .. all history in my book. As far as what classes i run depends on what ppl show up and what they run... T/C is fun ... 12th is a blast! I love 'em all.
10-23-2008, 02:27 PM
#176
I dont see how lipos arent an equalizer..
My Orion 3600 and 3800's are identical on the track.
My 5000 SMC packs are punchier but both are the same... even tho I dont care for the Deans plug on them. (Can't use them in my buggy)
Even the 2 different flight power packs for my heli are IDENTICAL in performence. Same for the planes.
For me its all about the packaging ... the Orions have my nod. Carbon print.. bullit connectors... indexing rounds on the bottom. Perfect ! The smooth bottom cases juse dont stay in the car very well. And they dont fit very many cars. Wires comming out the side kills it for the B4, T4... many others too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would need 3 or 4 4600's for each pan car but only 1 Lipo each for the 10R5 and 12R5. The only thing that gets me is the balancing plug . For a 2 cell pack there seems to be 2 or 3 different connectors. I wont need an expensive and cumbersome discharger... no nursing of packs. Way less B.S. Their longevity is way way more reliable . Plug and play man. No soldering ...no bars... no discharging.... just more time to tweak my car. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. And I dont care which ones are faster. Less is More! Matching , zapping ,, rematching .. all history in my book. As far as what classes i run depends on what ppl show up and what they run... T/C is fun ... 12th is a blast! I love 'em all.
My Orion 3600 and 3800's are identical on the track.
My 5000 SMC packs are punchier but both are the same... even tho I dont care for the Deans plug on them. (Can't use them in my buggy)
Even the 2 different flight power packs for my heli are IDENTICAL in performence. Same for the planes.
For me its all about the packaging ... the Orions have my nod. Carbon print.. bullit connectors... indexing rounds on the bottom. Perfect ! The smooth bottom cases juse dont stay in the car very well. And they dont fit very many cars. Wires comming out the side kills it for the B4, T4... many others too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would need 3 or 4 4600's for each pan car but only 1 Lipo each for the 10R5 and 12R5. The only thing that gets me is the balancing plug . For a 2 cell pack there seems to be 2 or 3 different connectors. I wont need an expensive and cumbersome discharger... no nursing of packs. Way less B.S. Their longevity is way way more reliable . Plug and play man. No soldering ...no bars... no discharging.... just more time to tweak my car. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. And I dont care which ones are faster. Less is More! Matching , zapping ,, rematching .. all history in my book. As far as what classes i run depends on what ppl show up and what they run... T/C is fun ... 12th is a blast! I love 'em all.
I have to disagree. How long before you think battery matchers will start matching packs? Or cycling them to see what manufactuer (sp?) has the best numbers? Guys at Vegas were told not to heat them up with a heating pad (heard this second hand from a guy that was there) to git them hot to get more voltage from them. And if they were a certain voltage, racers were made to discharge them to a certain voltage. As for the ease of operation, I tray my Nimh's (to dicharge and equalize) charge, then run. I then take the pack out of the car and put it away till the next weekend when I race, then repeat. Whats so hard about that? I have seen a Nimh cell vent, but never start a California wild fire like a Lipo. We need to stop trying to fix something that isn't broke. It's bad enough ROAR has mandated the brushless stuff. Lets leave it at that. As always, just my .02
10-23-2008, 02:30 PM
#177
I know ... but you need a battery for every time you run the car.. a discharger .. a charger.. a storage case .. and on and on and on.. once again.. BLAH BLAH BLAH!
10-23-2008, 02:32 PM
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I have to disagree. How long before you think battery matchers will start matching packs? Or cycling them to see what manufactuer (sp?) has the best numbers? Guys at Vegas were told not to heat them up with a heating pad (heard this second hand from a guy that was there) to git them hot to get more voltage from them. And if they were a certain voltage, racers were made to discharge them to a certain voltage. As for the ease of operation, I tray my Nimh's (to dicharge and equalize) charge, then run. I then take the pack out of the car and put it away till the next weekend when I race, then repeat. Whats so hard about that? I have seen a Nimh cell vent, but never start a California wild fire like a Lipo. We need to stop trying to fix something that isn't broke. It's bad enough ROAR has mandated the brushless stuff. Lets leave it at that. As always, just my .02
10-23-2008, 02:34 PM
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