U.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing
#2087
Someone more experienced will have to answer your 27T gearing question.
But, what I've done at our track is I made a bunch of 4 cell packs that I just give away to the new racers. I personally had bunches of older 3300's and better racers at our track give me their retired 6 cell packs and I just make 4 cell packs out of them to hand out.
If you had 3 die hard racers in your program I'd bet you could come up with enough free cells to make hand out 4 cell packs for the newbies
But, what I've done at our track is I made a bunch of 4 cell packs that I just give away to the new racers. I personally had bunches of older 3300's and better racers at our track give me their retired 6 cell packs and I just make 4 cell packs out of them to hand out.
If you had 3 die hard racers in your program I'd bet you could come up with enough free cells to make hand out 4 cell packs for the newbies
#2088
Tech Champion
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Someone more experienced will have to answer your 27T gearing question.
But, what I've done at our track is I made a bunch of 4 cell packs that I just give away to the new racers. I personally had bunches of older 3300's and better racers at our track give me their retired 6 cell packs and I just make 4 cell packs out of them to hand out.
If you had 3 die hard racers in your program I'd bet you could come up with enough free cells to make hand out 4 cell packs for the newbies
But, what I've done at our track is I made a bunch of 4 cell packs that I just give away to the new racers. I personally had bunches of older 3300's and better racers at our track give me their retired 6 cell packs and I just make 4 cell packs out of them to hand out.
If you had 3 die hard racers in your program I'd bet you could come up with enough free cells to make hand out 4 cell packs for the newbies
#2089
Tech Elite
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we had the same proplem with a driver using a 13.5 geared down. (remember we run 6cell/lipo-17.5/27t) when he finally got his own car and a 27t motor he realizied that the 13.5 was getting him in trouble faster and that he had to learn to drive as the nitro guys say "on the pipe" where with the 13.5 he could let off a little and mash it back to speed with the 27t he had to stay on the power and roll the corners more. similar to the guy that geared down a 10.5 to run with the 13.5 and then got the 13.5 and realized the same issue. torque kills top speed anyday on a tight track.
#2090
Our track specifies 4cell / 19t brushed or BL equivelent. Right now I'm the only one using brushed, CP Money-motor, geared same as 6cell, 2 teeth taller than Cobalt stock. My car is so much faster than everyone else that I get teched before and after every run. To make weight I use 2 cells not connected for a total of 1497 to 1507, 1450 being our spec'ed minimium. I was really surprised how fast the car is on the 4cell.
#2091
Tech Champion
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The 21.5 has more pop out of the corner for sure. On asphalt, this really has not been an advantage at all, especially on the 110' straight at kenji's track. the straight almost always goes into a sweeper the width of the track, so that's even more room for the cars to leg it out.
It will be interesting to see what happens inside
It will be interesting to see what happens inside
#2092
Tech Champion
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Someone more experienced will have to answer your 27T gearing question.
But, what I've done at our track is I made a bunch of 4 cell packs that I just give away to the new racers. I personally had bunches of older 3300's and better racers at our track give me their retired 6 cell packs and I just make 4 cell packs out of them to hand out.
If you had 3 die hard racers in your program I'd bet you could come up with enough free cells to make hand out 4 cell packs for the newbies
But, what I've done at our track is I made a bunch of 4 cell packs that I just give away to the new racers. I personally had bunches of older 3300's and better racers at our track give me their retired 6 cell packs and I just make 4 cell packs out of them to hand out.
If you had 3 die hard racers in your program I'd bet you could come up with enough free cells to make hand out 4 cell packs for the newbies
Monkey is right about what im saying...if you restrict 21.5 with FDR...why not 17.5...which is a true stock motor?.....
and as far as 27t brushed vs 21.5 brushless....I wish somebody would...lunch meat...lol...
the FDR we came up with seems to work against the current rules...but I guess Im looking for approval....even if I dont need it...I think its important to give respect to the guys who started this class for all of us to enjoy...I dont own a track but Im willing to help spread the FUN around in any form it may be in ...thanks again....
#2093
Tech Champion
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First off, if you are getting 45+ drivers, something is working for you. Kudos.
You have to do what you need to do to keep things going at your track.
I assume everybody runs lipo at your track? So they can't break cells down?
The only problem with a gear limit for lipo and 27t or 17.5 is that you will get monster rip, and on smaller tracks, it could start getting to be a big advantage.
Personally, I like to see the rules kept up, even on a local level. As I said before, if it's working for you, that's great.
You have to do what you need to do to keep things going at your track.
I assume everybody runs lipo at your track? So they can't break cells down?
The only problem with a gear limit for lipo and 27t or 17.5 is that you will get monster rip, and on smaller tracks, it could start getting to be a big advantage.
Personally, I like to see the rules kept up, even on a local level. As I said before, if it's working for you, that's great.
#2094
Tech Adept
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Darkside, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just curious, with all those racers, nobody can come up with 4cells or 21.5's? how did they get the lipo's and 17.5s?
I'll reiterate that at our track, a parking lot usually 100x70, we follow the USVTA rules and with a smooth driver with my T2R 27/4cell car will win against an average driver with a 21.5/ lipo car. The 27t car is has an fdr of 5.53 and track rules dictate a 4.3 fdr for 21.5. So the equality is there.
Laterz,
Bob
I'll reiterate that at our track, a parking lot usually 100x70, we follow the USVTA rules and with a smooth driver with my T2R 27/4cell car will win against an average driver with a 21.5/ lipo car. The 27t car is has an fdr of 5.53 and track rules dictate a 4.3 fdr for 21.5. So the equality is there.
Laterz,
Bob
#2095
Tech Elite
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For being a class supposed to be cheap to get into 4 cell battery packs, cause you cant just run on 1 all day and expect any life out of it without allowing it to cool down between charges, is pretty expensive. But many of us already run other classes would be alot cheaper to be able to run the battery we have. Would be alot cheaper on someone getting in fresh also to be able to go to a hobby town and pick up a stick pack and run or spend the money to get twice the life of a 4 cell battery in a cheap lipo like an Orion 3200. Those orion lipos can be had for almost the same price as a decent 4 cell pack and will last twice as long and be able to be used in other applications. Further expanding the RC hobby. Just shooting from the hip here but i thought thats what this class was about. It doesnt have to be about speed....set fdr fixed that. I know my point doesnt mean much but there it is.
example:
First in stock loose battery pack i found on amain...need 2 to make 3 4 cell packs to be able to run all day and expect any life out of the batteries + battery bars + soldering ability (not everyone has hobby shops really out to help people)
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ducts_id/25654
1 lipo...said and done can recharge between races
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ducts_id/25717
Which is the more cost effective way for the racers? Basic math will fill that blank in.
#2096
Tech Champion
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thanks guys....
we ended up with lipos, cause most of us ran indoor ele dirt...and when the owner said hard case lipos were ok...we all jumped on them...all the 6cell were ebay,sold or given away...that was over a year ago.....
most of the tc guys had 13.5....which turned out to be super stock...so they started running 17.5(true stock).....when we heard about this wonderful class it called for "stock" motors...so we all went and bought 17.5...or 27t
we have a great formula and I love the idea of racing against other racers and not their wallets...mines BIG..LOL...but I rather leave it up to driver..Im all about building this class...I personally know of two tracks that lost this class due to the 4cell rule...or "BREAK-DOWN"...among the racers about rules..some wanted to go "official"..others wanted to "bend"...I would love to contact them and let them know that there is a "MEDIUM"...and it can make for some great and even racing....rules are here to make it legit/legal...
hoping that by the time the Nats roll around we will have some more options
thanks again and to the closer tracks...GA,Memphis,AL,Chattanooga and so on...we will work with you guys if you come here....we have stocked up on pinion gears and have just about every touring car's FDR..that will make it equilvilent to the 4cell setup
dont forget the MUSIC CITY CHAMPIONSHIP is SEPTEMBER 21,2008
on the "BIG" outdoor track..known as PLYCON INTERNATIONAL MOTOR PARK...or P.I.M.P....for short
we ended up with lipos, cause most of us ran indoor ele dirt...and when the owner said hard case lipos were ok...we all jumped on them...all the 6cell were ebay,sold or given away...that was over a year ago.....
most of the tc guys had 13.5....which turned out to be super stock...so they started running 17.5(true stock).....when we heard about this wonderful class it called for "stock" motors...so we all went and bought 17.5...or 27t
we have a great formula and I love the idea of racing against other racers and not their wallets...mines BIG..LOL...but I rather leave it up to driver..Im all about building this class...I personally know of two tracks that lost this class due to the 4cell rule...or "BREAK-DOWN"...among the racers about rules..some wanted to go "official"..others wanted to "bend"...I would love to contact them and let them know that there is a "MEDIUM"...and it can make for some great and even racing....rules are here to make it legit/legal...
hoping that by the time the Nats roll around we will have some more options
thanks again and to the closer tracks...GA,Memphis,AL,Chattanooga and so on...we will work with you guys if you come here....we have stocked up on pinion gears and have just about every touring car's FDR..that will make it equilvilent to the 4cell setup
dont forget the MUSIC CITY CHAMPIONSHIP is SEPTEMBER 21,2008
on the "BIG" outdoor track..known as PLYCON INTERNATIONAL MOTOR PARK...or P.I.M.P....for short
#2097
Tech Champion
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This is only meant to help out
http://www.promatchracing.com/proddetail.php?prod=4600
2 unmatched $31 6-cell packs is 3 4-cells for $62.
just another option
http://www.promatchracing.com/proddetail.php?prod=4600
2 unmatched $31 6-cell packs is 3 4-cells for $62.
just another option
#2098
considerin a good club/regional driver can run faster lap times with a 21.5/lipo in a plastic car 6min into his stint than a nationally touted driver on brushed best time. that was 4.3 . 4.2 is surely a joke in comparison. sheesh over enduro, the brushed has just won its last race @ 'The Track'. september's event will see a 21.5/lipo combination winning. faster and easy 15min stints as opposed to stretching that last 30sec to get 10min outta 4cells
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#2099
I'm not sure why so many people are now hellbent on changing the rules.
To those that want "more" or different options, have you at least TRIED the current rules as they are written?
For the record, we aren't adding any more motor/battery options to this class. The choices are many, easy to acquire, relatively cheap if you aren't cutting every corner possible with expenses, and easy to maintain.
My car holds one Orion LiPo pack ($85 used) and one Novak 21.5 ($65). They will never be removed from the car for the entire 2008/2009 winter indoor season. That's a whole season of racing on a one-time $150 purchase, and you can do that MUCH cheaper now with one of the new Orion lower mAh LiPos. Not only that, but I'll charge the pack maybe once during the race day, never cut a comm, never discharge or equalize a battery pack, never do any maintenance on the powertrain EVER.
The rules are solid. The rules work very well as they are so far. They aren't growing or exapnding at this point to cater to other battery/motor combinations at this point. It's not a 6-cell class, and it never will be. If it works at your track, that's cool, but that's not USVTA racing, sorry.
To those that want "more" or different options, have you at least TRIED the current rules as they are written?
For the record, we aren't adding any more motor/battery options to this class. The choices are many, easy to acquire, relatively cheap if you aren't cutting every corner possible with expenses, and easy to maintain.
My car holds one Orion LiPo pack ($85 used) and one Novak 21.5 ($65). They will never be removed from the car for the entire 2008/2009 winter indoor season. That's a whole season of racing on a one-time $150 purchase, and you can do that MUCH cheaper now with one of the new Orion lower mAh LiPos. Not only that, but I'll charge the pack maybe once during the race day, never cut a comm, never discharge or equalize a battery pack, never do any maintenance on the powertrain EVER.
The rules are solid. The rules work very well as they are so far. They aren't growing or exapnding at this point to cater to other battery/motor combinations at this point. It's not a 6-cell class, and it never will be. If it works at your track, that's cool, but that's not USVTA racing, sorry.
Last edited by squarehead; 08-16-2008 at 04:59 AM. Reason: typo