Hpi Pro 4
#9076
Tech Fanatic
Originally posted by Trinity2
I did that same though, because one of my friend told at he normally use 2* caster in carpet and 4* in asphalt track
Maybe i`ll try that next weekend clubrace.
I did that same though, because one of my friend told at he normally use 2* caster in carpet and 4* in asphalt track
Maybe i`ll try that next weekend clubrace.
#9077
Tech Champion
iTrader: (42)
Has anyone played with changing the front C-hubs yet? just wondering what you've done and what you found.
I have mostly tried to run 6 on bigger tracks and 4 on tighter ones...
robk might have some good insight....he experimented with all the hubs .... 0-6deg ... all in the same day. robk...does that sound right...i thought i remember you were testing that out one day.
#9078
Re: Re: Hara Twister 2 ESC?
Originally posted by Trinity2
Hey Vegetto
Rcmodel. hk sell them.... and price is 215$
Hey Vegetto
Rcmodel. hk sell them.... and price is 215$
anyone have any ideas?
in the meantime im gonna search around a bit and try to find it cheaper.
#9079
Originally posted by RC Driver Gary
Has anyone played with changing the front C-hubs yet? just wondering what you've done and what you found.
Has anyone played with changing the front C-hubs yet? just wondering what you've done and what you found.
At SoCal, we will typically use 2° c-hubs, unless the layout changes dramatically. For me the difference between the 2° and the 4° is fairly significant. When I use 2°, initial turn in is very aggressive, with no stability loss in the rear, mid corner feels neutral, and then exit is more calm. When I go up to 4°, the car loses the initial turn in aggressiveness and precision, but on exit it "frees" up the car to the point where the rear will want to step out. So, I almost always end up using the 2° and then free up the rear to taste on exit with either, springs, anti-squat to control the weight transfer, chassis rake, reduced rear toe in, less wing (cut it), or all of the above. This gives me the great turn in I'm looking for and allows my not so linear throttle finger to use more throttle on exit.
#9081
Originally posted by kansasracer
Anyone know the srping rates of the kit springs in .lbs rating?
I am trying to compare HPI with Xray springs...
Thanks
Anyone know the srping rates of the kit springs in .lbs rating?
I am trying to compare HPI with Xray springs...
Thanks
The numbers in brackets are lb/in
#9084
Tech Champion
iTrader: (91)
Finally a pro4 thread
Hello to all pro4 owners I currently have three of them & I have one ? does anyone know where can I get some steel or aluminum outdrives. To many times on a hit my dogbone will pop out & it hurts big time @ trophy races so be careful if you put on the delrin version they pop out even quicker
#9085
Tech Master
iTrader: (2)
Re: Finally a pro4 thread
Originally posted by 710baby
Hello to all pro4 owners I currently have three of them & I have one ? does anyone know where can I get some steel or aluminum outdrives. To many times on a hit my dogbone will pop out & it hurts big time @ trophy races so be careful if you put on the delrin version they pop out even quicker
Hello to all pro4 owners I currently have three of them & I have one ? does anyone know where can I get some steel or aluminum outdrives. To many times on a hit my dogbone will pop out & it hurts big time @ trophy races so be careful if you put on the delrin version they pop out even quicker
Dogbones popping out.........The Pro4 has cvd's for that reason however, the do bend because they are aluminum.
#9086
Personally, I've found that less crashing results in less cvd bending. OR you can buy a full set of MIP shiny CVDs for the TC3 Problem solved.
Last edited by Pro4Capece; 12-06-2004 at 05:08 PM.
#9087
Tech Champion
iTrader: (22)
"robk might have some good insight....he experimented with all the hubs .... 0-6deg ... all in the same day. robk...does that sound right...i thought i remember you were testing that out one day."
Yeah, this was due to some wisdom from Mark Adams from Associated. He mentioned to KevinK that they used 0* or 2* hubs a majority of the time in stock motor on carpet. It was a bit of a shock to me as the conventional wisdom was to run 6* almost everywhere. They also ran antidive with the small amounts of caster. I checked out some setups on AE's site and sure enough it was right there in black and white.
Anyway, I had ran the Halloween Classic in Ohio, and they had a "bent" 180 at the end of the straight that was hard to be consistent with. 6* caster gave the car crazy high speed steering going into the turn. I guess the theory on the TC3 cars was that the small amounts of caster would mellow a stock motor car out under the brakes, but still let it have steering in the infield.
So I went to Trackside in WI to test this out.
0* w/ .5mm antidive= no steering, just turn in
2* w/.5mm antidive only slightly more steering
4* w/.5-- that was very good, without being too edgy.
I wound up sticking with 4* mostly. I want to try some more things again, since i changed my car a bit. I wouldn't take this as gospel, since your caster tends to work with the hinge pin mount heights in determining your driving feel (see below). i think that 0 and 2* worked with the TC3 due to the set heights on the suspension mounts. I understand the front mounts are supposed to be lower than the rears. This jives with what I found at the track, --higher front roll center likes more caster.
One thing I noticed is that the Kevin K carpet setup uses the higher (2mm) front roll center to turn the car in , and the 6* of caster gets you out if the turn. The down side is that the car can get hard to drive in extreme high speed to low speed transistions esp. in high traction.
Yeah, this was due to some wisdom from Mark Adams from Associated. He mentioned to KevinK that they used 0* or 2* hubs a majority of the time in stock motor on carpet. It was a bit of a shock to me as the conventional wisdom was to run 6* almost everywhere. They also ran antidive with the small amounts of caster. I checked out some setups on AE's site and sure enough it was right there in black and white.
Anyway, I had ran the Halloween Classic in Ohio, and they had a "bent" 180 at the end of the straight that was hard to be consistent with. 6* caster gave the car crazy high speed steering going into the turn. I guess the theory on the TC3 cars was that the small amounts of caster would mellow a stock motor car out under the brakes, but still let it have steering in the infield.
So I went to Trackside in WI to test this out.
0* w/ .5mm antidive= no steering, just turn in
2* w/.5mm antidive only slightly more steering
4* w/.5-- that was very good, without being too edgy.
I wound up sticking with 4* mostly. I want to try some more things again, since i changed my car a bit. I wouldn't take this as gospel, since your caster tends to work with the hinge pin mount heights in determining your driving feel (see below). i think that 0 and 2* worked with the TC3 due to the set heights on the suspension mounts. I understand the front mounts are supposed to be lower than the rears. This jives with what I found at the track, --higher front roll center likes more caster.
One thing I noticed is that the Kevin K carpet setup uses the higher (2mm) front roll center to turn the car in , and the 6* of caster gets you out if the turn. The down side is that the car can get hard to drive in extreme high speed to low speed transistions esp. in high traction.
#9088
Tech Champion
iTrader: (91)
Re: Re: Finally a pro4 thread
Originally posted by PUNISHER
Welcome aboard
Dogbones popping out.........The Pro4 has cvd's for that reason however, the do bend because they are aluminum.
Welcome aboard
Dogbones popping out.........The Pro4 has cvd's for that reason however, the do bend because they are aluminum.
#9089
Tech Champion
iTrader: (91)
Originally posted by Pro4Capece
Personally, I've found that less crashing results in less cvd bending. OR you can buy a full set of MIP shiny CVDs for the TC3 Problem solved.
Personally, I've found that less crashing results in less cvd bending. OR you can buy a full set of MIP shiny CVDs for the TC3 Problem solved.