Five vs. six cells
#61
Originally Posted by edseb
At the Worlds it was high, but no where near 30%. My point is that TC are a small segment of the market and going to 5 cell even with some manufacturers releasing some product will only pigeon hole us even more. There is no way 5 cell is going to catch on in any other form of RC, it will be specific to TC which is not good.... and seeing as how I work at a magazine, we hear a lot from manufacturers, and there are plenty who think 5 cell is bad.
#62
Tech Addict
Some mag did testing on buggys, maybe year ago, and found out that using only five cells out of six cell pack did in fact decrease lap times. They had six cells in the car so the weight was the same. Fewer cells mean lower voltage and according to the Ohms law a lower voltage mean fewer amperes and that means the batteries last longer. You can't break the Ohms law, it's not like a speed limit. It's absolutely unbreakable.
IMHO the cheapest way to get more fun at races it go drive longer mains, I think 8 minutes should be fine for touring and 12 minutes for 1/12th. People here have been crying "no no no it will cost more because of this and that" but to make the time you have to gear the motor more reasonably and use higher turn motors, which will lessen the load on both motor and batteries making them last longer and favor better drivers instead of those with more money than sense.
IMHO the cheapest way to get more fun at races it go drive longer mains, I think 8 minutes should be fine for touring and 12 minutes for 1/12th. People here have been crying "no no no it will cost more because of this and that" but to make the time you have to gear the motor more reasonably and use higher turn motors, which will lessen the load on both motor and batteries making them last longer and favor better drivers instead of those with more money than sense.
#64
Tech Initiate
Originally Posted by TRF415boy
Jan, your problem with heat and gearing comes from the motor you're using, I wouldn't classify the old orion element as cool running and it needs gearing to the moon to work.
I know the element is a nice heater but that's for another thread
#65
Originally Posted by andsetinn
Some mag did testing on buggys, maybe year ago, and found out that using only five cells out of six cell pack did in fact decrease lap times. They had six cells in the car so the weight was the same. Fewer cells mean lower voltage and according to the Ohms law a lower voltage mean fewer amperes and that means the batteries last longer. You can't break the Ohms law, it's not like a speed limit. It's absolutely unbreakable.
IMHO the cheapest way to get more fun at races it go drive longer mains, I think 8 minutes should be fine for touring and 12 minutes for 1/12th. People here have been crying "no no no it will cost more because of this and that" but to make the time you have to gear the motor more reasonably and use higher turn motors, which will lessen the load on both motor and batteries making them last longer and favor better drivers instead of those with more money than sense.
IMHO the cheapest way to get more fun at races it go drive longer mains, I think 8 minutes should be fine for touring and 12 minutes for 1/12th. People here have been crying "no no no it will cost more because of this and that" but to make the time you have to gear the motor more reasonably and use higher turn motors, which will lessen the load on both motor and batteries making them last longer and favor better drivers instead of those with more money than sense.
#66
Originally Posted by TRF415boy
No, at the worlds it was low due to most drivers having motors specially built for them. As spashett said, it was to the point where you didn't know if you were going to finish the race, in that regard 5-cell is good for TC mod.
#67
Tech Fanatic
Just to clarify...
The proposal to EFRA was for four cells and 1350g. After a lot of debate, an amedment was tabled for 5 cells, but they forgot to change the weight limit, so we were stuck with 1350g.
Of course it should have been 1400g or higher, as the cars you are talking about to get to 1350g are very expensive, and relatively fragile. It was a simple mistake (although they made the same mistake when 12th went 4-cell and EFRA kept the 6-cell weight limit!!) that could have been made by any organisation where people from 26 different countries can vote!
And as for TC popularity, it isn't declining, it's plummeting. Sales of TC electric kit are well down, and major distributors in Europe are looking to Gas and Aircraft for volume and profit. Electric RC is not thriving, and 5-cell is a delightful irrelevance for the priviledged few who can afford to race Mod at National and European level. The bread and butter sales of TC are for 6-cell 19T and 27T, and that remains the bedrock of Club racing.
The proposal to EFRA was for four cells and 1350g. After a lot of debate, an amedment was tabled for 5 cells, but they forgot to change the weight limit, so we were stuck with 1350g.
Of course it should have been 1400g or higher, as the cars you are talking about to get to 1350g are very expensive, and relatively fragile. It was a simple mistake (although they made the same mistake when 12th went 4-cell and EFRA kept the 6-cell weight limit!!) that could have been made by any organisation where people from 26 different countries can vote!
And as for TC popularity, it isn't declining, it's plummeting. Sales of TC electric kit are well down, and major distributors in Europe are looking to Gas and Aircraft for volume and profit. Electric RC is not thriving, and 5-cell is a delightful irrelevance for the priviledged few who can afford to race Mod at National and European level. The bread and butter sales of TC are for 6-cell 19T and 27T, and that remains the bedrock of Club racing.
#68
Originally Posted by SlowerOne
And as for TC popularity, it isn't declining, it's plummeting. Sales of TC electric kit are well down, and major distributors in Europe are looking to Gas and Aircraft for volume and profit. Electric RC is not thriving, and 5-cell is a delightful irrelevance for the priviledged few who can afford to race Mod at National and European level. The bread and butter sales of TC are for 6-cell 19T and 27T, and that remains the bedrock of Club racing.
I agree with andsetinn.
Originally Posted by andsetinn
IMHO the cheapest way to get more fun at races it go drive longer mains, I think 8 minutes should be fine for touring and 12 minutes for 1/12th. People here have been crying "no no no it will cost more because of this and that" but to make the time you have to gear the motor more reasonably and use higher turn motors, which will lessen the load on both motor and batteries making them last longer and favor better drivers instead of those with more money than sense.
#69
5 cell will be the bullet that kills the Sedan and electric racing overall...
#71
you think 5 cell is bad, wait till they go 4 cell.
6 cell has much more punch put I'm sure much more difficult to drive.
tc has peaked probably because of the popularity of 1/8th nitro offroad. here you still have the sound and power, while brushless motors have no sound at all.
i guess in motorsports I prefer to hear a racing car that sound like a racing car. maybe we should put in a sound chip into our electric cars! lol
6 cell has much more punch put I'm sure much more difficult to drive.
tc has peaked probably because of the popularity of 1/8th nitro offroad. here you still have the sound and power, while brushless motors have no sound at all.
i guess in motorsports I prefer to hear a racing car that sound like a racing car. maybe we should put in a sound chip into our electric cars! lol
#72
Racing Organization Debating About Too Much Power
Seems like the r/c industry may not be the only one discussing reduced power. I found this article in Racer x (dirt bike mag) this past issue.
#73
Not sure anyone thought of this but, Maybe the movement to 5 cells is a way to backwards eliminate the use of LiPo batts. Lipo is pretty equal to 6 cells, but it currently doesn't have an answer for 5 cells (6 volts) because of the cell voltage of the Lipo cells.
#75
Sorry if this has already been said but the thing that annoys me is i would like to do a bit of competeive mod racing as i always do 19turn, but having to change all my cells or make up a load of 5 cell packs is ridiculous