Xray T2'007
#3136
Tech Apprentice
I'm having a really wierd problem. My rear toe in on the left side is 3 degrees, which is what it should be, and my rear toe on the right side is 2 degrees which it should not be. Everything is identical from both sides, shims, spacers, everything. I have even switched all the componants from one side to the other, hub carrier, shims, lower arm, everything, and the problem remains on the right side of the car. I have even checked the bulkheads and the chassis for misalaignment. Everything looks perfect. What on earth could be going on? This one degree of difference is giving me some pretty adverse handling characteristics.
#3137
what are you using to determine your toe in? can you flip the gage from side to side? see if then you read 3 degree and 2 degree on the oppsite sides
#3138
Are you guys using the XRAY 48P pinions? If not, what brand would you recommend?
Thanks!
Thanks!
#3139
Tech Apprentice
I'm using a Hudy all in one for 10th TC. I tried flipping the panel guage, same thing, 3 on the left, 2 on the right. This is driving me nuts.
#3140
Tech Apprentice
Personally I use PRS (Precision Racing System) spurs, 64 pitch. They're awesome. MFG'd out of Delrin and silky smooth. As for pinions I just use Robinson Racing because I can get them locally.
#3142
Tech Apprentice
(1.5+1.15 on the left side) and (1.5+1.5+1.15 on the right side). The car has not been crash, and the bulkheads are straight as an arrow, and the chassis is perfectly flat. I guess I'm going to call RC America back in the morning and see what they suggest. Has anyone else had this problem? Could it be that the bulkhead was misdrilled. Checking with my caliper the right bulkhead is about .82 mm further away from the edge of the chassis than the right side. When I added a .75 mm shim to the right side, the left side moved out to 3.5 degrees toe in while only giving me 2.5 toe in on the right side. Thats why I went to the above stated shim setup. I guess worst case scenario I can just run it like that. But it just doesn't seem right.
#3143
Tech Regular
iTrader: (3)
Okay so I have determined that it is either the right rear bulkhead, or the chassis itself. All screws are straight, hinge pins are all straight. At this moment to get my toe close to 3 degrees in on both sides I'm having to run
(1.5+1.15 on the left side) and (1.5+1.5+1.15 on the right side). The car has not been crash, and the bulkheads are straight as an arrow, and the chassis is perfectly flat. I guess I'm going to call RC America back in the morning and see what they suggest. Has anyone else had this problem? Could it be that the bulkhead was misdrilled. Checking with my caliper the right bulkhead is about .82 mm further away from the edge of the chassis than the right side. When I added a .75 mm shim to the right side, the left side moved out to 3.5 degrees toe in while only giving me 2.5 toe in on the right side. Thats why I went to the above stated shim setup. I guess worst case scenario I can just run it like that. But it just doesn't seem right.
(1.5+1.15 on the left side) and (1.5+1.5+1.15 on the right side). The car has not been crash, and the bulkheads are straight as an arrow, and the chassis is perfectly flat. I guess I'm going to call RC America back in the morning and see what they suggest. Has anyone else had this problem? Could it be that the bulkhead was misdrilled. Checking with my caliper the right bulkhead is about .82 mm further away from the edge of the chassis than the right side. When I added a .75 mm shim to the right side, the left side moved out to 3.5 degrees toe in while only giving me 2.5 toe in on the right side. Thats why I went to the above stated shim setup. I guess worst case scenario I can just run it like that. But it just doesn't seem right.
Have you tried a new hub? Some of the plastic hubs have a pretty wide variation of "1 degree" for toe in. The aluminum are supposedly much more accurate.
#3144
Tech Master
iTrader: (4)
Okay so I have determined that it is either the right rear bulkhead, or the chassis itself. All screws are straight, hinge pins are all straight. At this moment to get my toe close to 3 degrees in on both sides I'm having to run
(1.5+1.15 on the left side) and (1.5+1.5+1.15 on the right side). The car has not been crash, and the bulkheads are straight as an arrow, and the chassis is perfectly flat. I guess I'm going to call RC America back in the morning and see what they suggest. Has anyone else had this problem? Could it be that the bulkhead was misdrilled. Checking with my caliper the right bulkhead is about .82 mm further away from the edge of the chassis than the right side. When I added a .75 mm shim to the right side, the left side moved out to 3.5 degrees toe in while only giving me 2.5 toe in on the right side. Thats why I went to the above stated shim setup. I guess worst case scenario I can just run it like that. But it just doesn't seem right.
(1.5+1.15 on the left side) and (1.5+1.5+1.15 on the right side). The car has not been crash, and the bulkheads are straight as an arrow, and the chassis is perfectly flat. I guess I'm going to call RC America back in the morning and see what they suggest. Has anyone else had this problem? Could it be that the bulkhead was misdrilled. Checking with my caliper the right bulkhead is about .82 mm further away from the edge of the chassis than the right side. When I added a .75 mm shim to the right side, the left side moved out to 3.5 degrees toe in while only giving me 2.5 toe in on the right side. Thats why I went to the above stated shim setup. I guess worst case scenario I can just run it like that. But it just doesn't seem right.
#3145
Tech Regular
iTrader: (1)
Myhre, I also suggest you measure the distance between the left and right bulkhead at the front and the rear. If the holes are misaligned somehow either both bulkheads are at an angle compared to the centerline of the chassis (can be measured, but is difficult) or one of them is misaligned which would mean the distance between the left and right bulkhead would be different between the front and rear of the bulkhead.
Hope that makes sense.
If there is a difference, try undoing all the screws and then retighten them again until the distance is the same. If that is not possible contact RC America for support.
Hope that makes sense.
If there is a difference, try undoing all the screws and then retighten them again until the distance is the same. If that is not possible contact RC America for support.
#3147
#3148
Tech Apprentice
I'm going to do what tony v suggested, that would be the last thing to confirm if it is in fact the bulkhead or not. I have actually tried loosening all the lower screws and realining with my guage on the car. Whatever it is that is wrong, it's not coming out that easily. Time to find out if the bulkheads are closer in the rear than in the front.
#3149
Tech Apprentice
It's definately not the hub, I eliminated that as a possibility once I swapped all suspension and drivetrain from the right side to the left and vice versa.
I'm going to do what tony v suggested, that would be the last thing to confirm if it is in fact the bulkhead or not. I have actually tried loosening all the lower screws and realining with my guage on the car. Whatever it is that is wrong, it's not coming out that easily. Time to find out if the bulkheads are closer in the rear than in the front.
I'm going to do what tony v suggested, that would be the last thing to confirm if it is in fact the bulkhead or not. I have actually tried loosening all the lower screws and realining with my guage on the car. Whatever it is that is wrong, it's not coming out that easily. Time to find out if the bulkheads are closer in the rear than in the front.
Thank you for all the suggestions. I hope this takes care of it.
#3150