1Likes2006 Worlds - Italy
07-11-2006, 07:13 AM
#1622
when is the istc finals video going to be out in team orion's media section? i just watched the 1/12 finals and cant wait to see the touring cars 
07-11-2006, 08:15 AM
#1623
Tech Adept
Originally Posted by nc-hopsing
Anyone know how many brushless motors actually ran at the worlds? Total compared to brushed. Anyone start out with one or the other and end up switching? What manufacturer had the most brushless there?
In TC I did not really look into it but there were definitely less brushless systems. My guess would be about 20%. Again LRP being the main supplier, then Novak and GM.
LRP not only had the most brushless motors/speedos but were also the most active in supporting their drivers. If they needed more support, I don't know. But Bob Novak had plenty of time to read his book at the track.
In 1/12th John Orr never seemed to have trouble with runtime while some brushed drivers did have some runtime problems. Mainly in free practice and qualifying.
Preference between brushed and brushless is very driver specific. I spoke some drivers who have tried both. And each had their own reason for choosing either brushed or brushless.
My guess is that for 1/12th both are very similar in terms of performance. Can't say anything about driveability until I have tried one.
07-11-2006, 08:49 AM
#1624
Originally Posted by MBreve
Although I did not actually count them (there was a Japanese journalist making notes of each car) I would say that in 1/12th about 25 to 35% of the drivers used brushless. LRP was the biggest there, but also some Novaks and GM's. (and Andy Griffiths Nosram ofcourse)
In TC I did not really look into it but there were definitely less brushless systems. My guess would be about 20%. Again LRP being the main supplier, then Novak and GM.
LRP not only had the most brushless motors/speedos but were also the most active in supporting their drivers. If they needed more support, I don't know. But Bob Novak had plenty of time to read his book at the track.
In 1/12th John Orr never seemed to have trouble with runtime while some brushed drivers did have some runtime problems. Mainly in free practice and qualifying.
Preference between brushed and brushless is very driver specific. I spoke some drivers who have tried both. And each had their own reason for choosing either brushed or brushless.
My guess is that for 1/12th both are very similar in terms of performance. Can't say anything about driveability until I have tried one.
In TC I did not really look into it but there were definitely less brushless systems. My guess would be about 20%. Again LRP being the main supplier, then Novak and GM.
LRP not only had the most brushless motors/speedos but were also the most active in supporting their drivers. If they needed more support, I don't know. But Bob Novak had plenty of time to read his book at the track.
In 1/12th John Orr never seemed to have trouble with runtime while some brushed drivers did have some runtime problems. Mainly in free practice and qualifying.
Preference between brushed and brushless is very driver specific. I spoke some drivers who have tried both. And each had their own reason for choosing either brushed or brushless.
My guess is that for 1/12th both are very similar in terms of performance. Can't say anything about driveability until I have tried one.
Very cool info, thanks!
07-11-2006, 01:06 PM
#1625
Tech Addict
PROTOform Dominated
Well, I just returned from Italy. It was such a fun and interesting 8 days that its pretty hard to put into mere words. Wow - who'd have ever thought that this RC event (in Italy) would coincide with Team Italy's huge victory over Germany - then the overall win in the World Cup? Kinda like icing on the cake for me. So cool. I've never seen a more passionate people in my life than the good folks of Torino.
I want to congradulate Andy Moore on his impressive World Championship win. He was a class-act right from the start. Let there be no doubt - the right guy won the ISTC Worlds. He was top qualifier and consistently ran the quickest laps as well. Never seemed to put a wheel wrong and he played no "games". I'm sincerely happy for you Andy.
I'd like to express the same sentiment toward David Spashett on his 1/12th Scale World Championship. Well done David! Its always a pleasure watching you race.
On the body side, it feels very gratifying as a body manufacturer to have another 2 "IFMAR Worlds" titles to add to our list. I'd like to thank all those who used PROTOform race bodies regardless of your finishing results. In the Touring Car World's 19 of top 20 racers used the Mazda 6 with only Masami using a brand other than Pf. We debuted an all new high(er) downforce PROTOform TC wing at the event and it appered to be very effective. Most of them were lost in shipping and thus I was only able to supply a few racers. However Paul, Viktor and Craig used them in reaching the a-main. (this double wing set will be available in a couple of weeks)
In the 1/12th Scale World's the results were pretty similar as 18 of the top 20 used the PROTOform Speed 12. The racers who finished 9th and last in the a-main used a different brand. A sincere "Thankyou!" to you all.
A few personal thoughts and tidbits:
- Paul Lemiex served notice on the racers and manufacturers of the rc world that he's not just an rc master on carpet. He was awsome. Kudos to Paul for his podium finish - as well as Truespeed's Jim Dieter!
- Viktor Wilck and Ronald Volker also made impressive runs at the title. Both appear to have the DNA of future world champions.
- Rick Howart's speed and skill simply confirmed what guys like me and Anders already know: older guys rock! lol !
I can guarantee all of you this one thing: that I'll be working hard on new designs to keep this momentum going into the foreseeable future.
Dale Epp - PROTOform
I want to congradulate Andy Moore on his impressive World Championship win. He was a class-act right from the start. Let there be no doubt - the right guy won the ISTC Worlds. He was top qualifier and consistently ran the quickest laps as well. Never seemed to put a wheel wrong and he played no "games". I'm sincerely happy for you Andy.
I'd like to express the same sentiment toward David Spashett on his 1/12th Scale World Championship. Well done David! Its always a pleasure watching you race.
On the body side, it feels very gratifying as a body manufacturer to have another 2 "IFMAR Worlds" titles to add to our list. I'd like to thank all those who used PROTOform race bodies regardless of your finishing results. In the Touring Car World's 19 of top 20 racers used the Mazda 6 with only Masami using a brand other than Pf. We debuted an all new high(er) downforce PROTOform TC wing at the event and it appered to be very effective. Most of them were lost in shipping and thus I was only able to supply a few racers. However Paul, Viktor and Craig used them in reaching the a-main. (this double wing set will be available in a couple of weeks)
In the 1/12th Scale World's the results were pretty similar as 18 of the top 20 used the PROTOform Speed 12. The racers who finished 9th and last in the a-main used a different brand. A sincere "Thankyou!" to you all.
A few personal thoughts and tidbits:
- Paul Lemiex served notice on the racers and manufacturers of the rc world that he's not just an rc master on carpet. He was awsome. Kudos to Paul for his podium finish - as well as Truespeed's Jim Dieter!
- Viktor Wilck and Ronald Volker also made impressive runs at the title. Both appear to have the DNA of future world champions.
- Rick Howart's speed and skill simply confirmed what guys like me and Anders already know: older guys rock! lol !
I can guarantee all of you this one thing: that I'll be working hard on new designs to keep this momentum going into the foreseeable future.
Dale Epp - PROTOform
07-11-2006, 01:35 PM
#1626
Hi Dale,
It was nice to meet you again and thanks for sunday evening! Nice game also - I agree... My Lufthansa plane had to turn back to Frankfurt though with hydraulic problems when we where 3/4 home... But everything went smooth in the end.
Yes, the new wing(s) worked great. As the traction was lets say "not optimal" they did come to use. Viktor first tested it on the Yoke Stratus (thats the completely yellow body if you see some pics of Viktors car). Its not a perfect fit at all but U can squeze it on. But Viktor liked the PF Mazda much better (with the HD wing) as it was more controllable etc when it "slided". And with those tyres it shure did it plenty...
BIG hand to Andy - awesome show!
It was nice to meet you again and thanks for sunday evening! Nice game also - I agree...
My Lufthansa plane had to turn back to Frankfurt though with hydraulic problems when we where 3/4 home... But everything went smooth in the end.Yes, the new wing(s) worked great. As the traction was lets say "not optimal" they did come to use. Viktor first tested it on the Yoke Stratus (thats the completely yellow body if you see some pics of Viktors car). Its not a perfect fit at all but U can squeze it on. But Viktor liked the PF Mazda much better (with the HD wing) as it was more controllable etc when it "slided". And with those tyres it shure did it plenty...
BIG hand to Andy - awesome show!
07-11-2006, 01:38 PM
#1627
Tech Adept
Double A-main
Only three drivers made both A-main finals.
Andy Moore 4th and 1st
Marc Rheinard 3rd and 4th
Paul Lemieux 7th and 3rd
Very impressive.
Andy Moore 4th and 1st
Marc Rheinard 3rd and 4th
Paul Lemieux 7th and 3rd
Very impressive.
07-11-2006, 02:25 PM
#1629
Tech Master
Originally Posted by daleepp
Well, I just returned from Italy. It was such a fun and interesting 8 days that its pretty hard to put into mere words. Wow - who'd have ever thought that this RC event (in Italy) would coincide with Team Italy's huge victory over Germany -
Italy vs France!
Always great to see you Dale! Keep in touch for new scetches.
07-11-2006, 02:28 PM
#1631
Originally Posted by yyhayyim
Does anyone know what body shells Andy Moore and or Atsushi Hara use? Hara used the RI TSX body back in 2004, but don't know what he uses now...thanks.
Hara used the same body Masami used... Yok. stratus "E"
07-11-2006, 02:30 PM
#1632
Tech Regular
Originally Posted by yyhayyim
Does anyone know what body shells Andy Moore and or Atsushi Hara use? Hara used the RI TSX body back in 2004, but don't know what he uses now...thanks.
07-11-2006, 02:32 PM
#1633
Tech Master
Originally Posted by bob33
andy moore run the new hotbodies moorespeed shel
http://www.ifmar.org/pdf/ifmar_el_bodies.pdf
07-11-2006, 02:38 PM
#1634
nices pics !
07-11-2006, 02:45 PM
#1635
Originally Posted by yyhayyim
Does anyone know what body shells Andy Moore and or Atsushi Hara use? Hara used the RI TSX body back in 2004, but don't know what he uses now...thanks.
