Who is the best stock racer in the US
03-24-2007, 11:59 AM
#167
Originally Posted by McSmooth
For laughs, I went back through the results starting in 2003 for the Carpet Nats, Snowbirds, Cleveland, IIC, and Novak race. Stock sedan foam class only.
Winner got 10 points, second got 9, third got 8, etc.. Keep in mind this is just for carpet racing.
Top 25 are:
1. Brad Johnson - 76
2. Jeff Cuffs - 71
3. Drew Ellis - 65
4. Peter Robinson - 53
4. Ray Darroch - 53
6. Alex Lopez - 52
6. Jeff Dayger - 52
8. Paul Ciccarello - 47
9. TJ Bradley - 42
10. Jason Schreffler - 37
10. Chuck Lonergan - 37
12. Jim Herrmann - 35
13. Stephen Sobattka - 32
14. Travis Schreven - 31
15. Mark Smyka - 24
15. Chris Goetz - 24
15. Bobby Flack - 24
15. Tim Heiser - 24
19. Jarrod Langlois - 23
19. Kyle Gannon - 23
21. Craig Xavier - 22
22. Mo Denton - 18
23. Justin Zorc - 15
24. Ron Atomic - 14
25. Kevin Mitchell - 12
25. Brian Lutz - 12
Winner got 10 points, second got 9, third got 8, etc.. Keep in mind this is just for carpet racing.
Top 25 are:
1. Brad Johnson - 76
2. Jeff Cuffs - 71
3. Drew Ellis - 65
4. Peter Robinson - 53
4. Ray Darroch - 53
6. Alex Lopez - 52
6. Jeff Dayger - 52
8. Paul Ciccarello - 47
9. TJ Bradley - 42
10. Jason Schreffler - 37
10. Chuck Lonergan - 37
12. Jim Herrmann - 35
13. Stephen Sobattka - 32
14. Travis Schreven - 31
15. Mark Smyka - 24
15. Chris Goetz - 24
15. Bobby Flack - 24
15. Tim Heiser - 24
19. Jarrod Langlois - 23
19. Kyle Gannon - 23
21. Craig Xavier - 22
22. Mo Denton - 18
23. Justin Zorc - 15
24. Ron Atomic - 14
25. Kevin Mitchell - 12
25. Brian Lutz - 12
also do one for modified foam for the same races. i wanna see who was more dominant, blackstock through 03-04 or lemieux thorugh 05-06...
Last edited by peter_robinson; 03-24-2007 at 01:56 PM.
03-24-2007, 12:08 PM
#168
Originally Posted by schurcr
My bad, forgot to look at the Snowbirds results. Still hard to argue over the last two years 1 national championship 1/12 Stock '06 Carpet Nats, 1st 1/12 Stock '06 Cleavland, 2nd TC Stock '06 Carpet Natonals, 3rd TC Stock '06 Paved Nationals, 2nd TC Stock & 1/12th Stock '07 Carpet Nationals, '07 Stock Foam TC Novak, 2nd '06 Carpet Nationals. Its hard to argue with that kind of consitancy.
03-24-2007, 12:12 PM
#169
yes, I can verify that.....I built the motor and had to write the bonus check afterwards....:P
Whats funny about the list though, is that Peter has only gone to the Novak race ONCE....cleveland only twice.....cuffs missed a lot of those too, as did trav....Brad gets the nod, cause he rarely misses a race.....quanity over quality....not that Brad is a slouch or anything....
Later EddieO
Whats funny about the list though, is that Peter has only gone to the Novak race ONCE....cleveland only twice.....cuffs missed a lot of those too, as did trav....Brad gets the nod, cause he rarely misses a race.....quanity over quality....not that Brad is a slouch or anything....
Later EddieO
03-24-2007, 06:31 PM
#171
if you count rubber and foam.....Pete and Trav are the best all around...
my biased opinion...
my biased opinion...
03-24-2007, 07:37 PM
#172
Originally Posted by EddieO
Whats funny about the list though, is that Peter has only gone to the Novak race ONCE....cleveland only twice.....cuffs missed a lot of those too, as did trav....Brad gets the nod, cause he rarely misses a race.....quanity over quality....not that Brad is a slouch or anything....
Later EddieO
Later EddieO
03-24-2007, 07:41 PM
#173
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Peeler
03-24-2007, 10:51 PM
#175
Originally Posted by 1fastguy1
at least you were racing TC's in 2003... 
hey Brian you coming to the gate for that race in April??
Mo
hey Brian you coming to the gate for that race in April??
Mo
Bummer for me. Good luck though, I'm sure it'll be a blast.
03-25-2007, 06:23 AM
#177
So it would be safe to assume 1 of 2 things.
#1 the top 3 guys raced all the races
#2 they finished nicely in the races they went to
It would be cool to see how many races each of the top #25 guys had attended from 2003 to 2007 ( carpet races only ) so then you could really see if it was quality or quantity.
I just dont get some of you guys are defending yourself by saying ,,,, well i havent raced as long as others or havent been to all the races. You guys are taking this whole to the wrong way. All he did was find out what everyone has been talking about.
But the real answer would should be found within the average points per race attended..... this is the real answer to who has been the best. Because then there are no excuses..... the more races you would have attended the lower you score ***might*** be.
Mcsmooth if you have any intrest tallying up how many races each of the top 25 guys attended that would really be cool to see.
#1 the top 3 guys raced all the races
#2 they finished nicely in the races they went to
It would be cool to see how many races each of the top #25 guys had attended from 2003 to 2007 ( carpet races only ) so then you could really see if it was quality or quantity.
I just dont get some of you guys are defending yourself by saying ,,,, well i havent raced as long as others or havent been to all the races. You guys are taking this whole to the wrong way. All he did was find out what everyone has been talking about.
But the real answer would should be found within the average points per race attended..... this is the real answer to who has been the best. Because then there are no excuses..... the more races you would have attended the lower you score ***might*** be.
Mcsmooth if you have any intrest tallying up how many races each of the top 25 guys attended that would really be cool to see.
03-25-2007, 07:11 AM
#178
Mr. Smooth,
Could you also include in your analysis, the ratio of driver stand height to performance and how that also correlates with how tall each driver is? This means you will also have to determine which drivers stood on step stools during the mains, and you can add the height of the stool used to the driver's height.
Thank you sir.
Could you also include in your analysis, the ratio of driver stand height to performance and how that also correlates with how tall each driver is? This means you will also have to determine which drivers stood on step stools during the mains, and you can add the height of the stool used to the driver's height.
Thank you sir.
03-30-2007, 12:02 PM
#179
Yikes...I forgot about this thread.
As for figuring out all races attended...that's tough as for several of the races I was only able to find A Main results. If they were at the race but in a lower main, there's no record of it (2005 ROAR Carpet Nats, for instance). Of course, that might be good is some cases
Next week I'll see if I can get enough data to do a Modified class one, and then throw in some asphalt results too. Asphalt isn't too tough, since there's only a couple really big National events each year.
JKA: I'll put all the drivers stand and height data into the Batcomputer and let it compile over the weekend. Maybe I'll invent an adjustable height drivers stand so everyone's eyes are at the same elevation. Hmmmm.....
As for figuring out all races attended...that's tough as for several of the races I was only able to find A Main results. If they were at the race but in a lower main, there's no record of it (2005 ROAR Carpet Nats, for instance). Of course, that might be good is some cases
Next week I'll see if I can get enough data to do a Modified class one, and then throw in some asphalt results too. Asphalt isn't too tough, since there's only a couple really big National events each year.
JKA: I'll put all the drivers stand and height data into the Batcomputer and let it compile over the weekend. Maybe I'll invent an adjustable height drivers stand so everyone's eyes are at the same elevation. Hmmmm.....
04-02-2007, 09:02 AM
#180
Here are the top 15 for Modified using the same races that were used for the stock list above (2003-2007 IIC, Birds, Indoor Champs, Carpet Nats, Novak)...all carpet foam.
10 pts for 1st, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd, etc.
1. Paul Lemieux - 139
2. Mike Dumas - 124
3. Mike Blackstock - 115
4. Ralph Burch - 97
5. Chris Tosolini - 88
6. Barry Baker - 68
7. Josh Cyrul - 65
8. Matt Francis - 53
9. Brian Kinwald - 47
10. Billy Easton - 40
11. Jilles Groskamp - 38
12. Todd Hodge - 35
13. Ray Darroch - 26
14. David Spashett - 21
15. Teemu Leino - 19
10 pts for 1st, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd, etc.
1. Paul Lemieux - 139
2. Mike Dumas - 124
3. Mike Blackstock - 115
4. Ralph Burch - 97
5. Chris Tosolini - 88
6. Barry Baker - 68
7. Josh Cyrul - 65
8. Matt Francis - 53
9. Brian Kinwald - 47
10. Billy Easton - 40
11. Jilles Groskamp - 38
12. Todd Hodge - 35
13. Ray Darroch - 26
14. David Spashett - 21
15. Teemu Leino - 19