World GT - WGT - 200mm Pan Spec
03-23-2012, 12:28 PM
#61
Back at it this weekend! I fit a DB9 body to the car, but need to get it painted. I finally broke the last of the axle carriers and switched to the 12th scale steel axles and carriers from CRC. The Ackerman is going to be different, so I'll have to figure that out too. More fun!
05-02-2012, 10:59 AM
#62
So, the currently accepted rules are:
Direct Drive chassis
Fixed lower arm front suspension
Spec Lilac tire
13.5 motor
No-timing ESC for most large events
1 S Lipo or 4 Cell NiMh/NiCad
Choice of booster, receiver pack or 1S ESC
6 minutes Qualies and Mains
The currently accepted bodies are RWD Front engine, GT:
Sophia - Alpha C8
DB9 - Aston Martin
599- Ferrari
C6 Corvette - discontinued
What general tuning options do you all run into? What setups for carpet and what setups for asphalt? What other GT bodies should we push for, like the Mercedes?!
Direct Drive chassis
Fixed lower arm front suspension
Spec Lilac tire
13.5 motor
No-timing ESC for most large events
1 S Lipo or 4 Cell NiMh/NiCad
Choice of booster, receiver pack or 1S ESC
6 minutes Qualies and Mains
The currently accepted bodies are RWD Front engine, GT:
Sophia - Alpha C8
DB9 - Aston Martin
599- Ferrari
C6 Corvette - discontinued
What general tuning options do you all run into? What setups for carpet and what setups for asphalt? What other GT bodies should we push for, like the Mercedes?!
05-02-2012, 12:48 PM
#64
Parma PSE used to make a Panoz GTR. I'm sure they still have the molds.
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserima...2953_4_350.jpg
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserima...2953_4_350.jpg
05-03-2012, 04:40 AM
#69
With so many awesome cars currently running in the ALMS, it's hard to understand why there isn't a bigger demand from racers for those types of bodies.
1. Corvette C6R
2. BMW M3
3. Porsche 911 RSR
4. Ferrari 458 Italia
5. Aston Martin Vantage
6. what am I missing?
1. Corvette C6R
2. BMW M3
3. Porsche 911 RSR
4. Ferrari 458 Italia
5. Aston Martin Vantage
6. what am I missing?
05-03-2012, 06:30 AM
#70
Tech Master
A body manufacturers point of view.
There are many more bodies available for this class, most of them are from HPI. Here in the UK we run our own body list that has 30 bodies listed including the HPI 911 and Lamborghini bodies. Unfortunately they are designed as scale bodies so fairly useless on the track compared to the Sophia even though they look better.
Now look at the class from the body manufacturers point of view. The vast majority of WGT racers run on carpet, using spec tyres. This means almost everyone wants the same aerodynamic balance. Now if you produce a body that works well it will work well almost everywhere, so almost everyone would want to use it, then you are on to a profitable product.
Dale Epp got it right first time with the Sophia, so much that it's used just about everywhere, especially outside the US where it is the only body that's readily available. So if Protoform have already got the WGT body market sewn up, why should they spend money developing a new body that will just take sales from the Sophia as Protoform won't sell many extra bodies.
They would sell a few of the new bodies at first, as people try them out or people think they need both types for different tracks, but after that initial rush Protoform will end up selling exactly the same number of bodies as people replace worn ones, just in two different styles instead of one. WorldGT isn't big enough as a class for Protoform to recover the development costs in that one early rush of bodies, so no point Dale spending his time creating a new WGT shell when he could be making new touring car bodies that will sell in much greater numbers. The only way you would get Protoform to make a new body is if another manufacturer came in and created a body that out performed the Sophia, so taking sales away from Protoform.
Parma and Mcallister have created shells, they should have already created the best bodies they can but they still can't perform as well as the Sophia. Considering they have much lower sales compared to the Sophia is it worth their time and money creating another body that won't increase their sales, just because a small number of people might want it. Remember, they might have been started by enthusiasts but these days these are all businesses so there isn't any point in spending their time on something that isn't going to make them any more money when they can spend their time
If I was a body manufacturer WGT isn't a class I would concentrate on. While I could create a GT/ALMS body it would be aimed first at touring car chassis with little consideration for handling in WGT as that would sell considerably more then if WGT racers wanted to use them they could, but I wouldn't expect then to beat the Sophia.
There are many more bodies available for this class, most of them are from HPI. Here in the UK we run our own body list that has 30 bodies listed including the HPI 911 and Lamborghini bodies. Unfortunately they are designed as scale bodies so fairly useless on the track compared to the Sophia even though they look better.
Now look at the class from the body manufacturers point of view. The vast majority of WGT racers run on carpet, using spec tyres. This means almost everyone wants the same aerodynamic balance. Now if you produce a body that works well it will work well almost everywhere, so almost everyone would want to use it, then you are on to a profitable product.
Dale Epp got it right first time with the Sophia, so much that it's used just about everywhere, especially outside the US where it is the only body that's readily available. So if Protoform have already got the WGT body market sewn up, why should they spend money developing a new body that will just take sales from the Sophia as Protoform won't sell many extra bodies.
They would sell a few of the new bodies at first, as people try them out or people think they need both types for different tracks, but after that initial rush Protoform will end up selling exactly the same number of bodies as people replace worn ones, just in two different styles instead of one. WorldGT isn't big enough as a class for Protoform to recover the development costs in that one early rush of bodies, so no point Dale spending his time creating a new WGT shell when he could be making new touring car bodies that will sell in much greater numbers. The only way you would get Protoform to make a new body is if another manufacturer came in and created a body that out performed the Sophia, so taking sales away from Protoform.
Parma and Mcallister have created shells, they should have already created the best bodies they can but they still can't perform as well as the Sophia. Considering they have much lower sales compared to the Sophia is it worth their time and money creating another body that won't increase their sales, just because a small number of people might want it. Remember, they might have been started by enthusiasts but these days these are all businesses so there isn't any point in spending their time on something that isn't going to make them any more money when they can spend their time
If I was a body manufacturer WGT isn't a class I would concentrate on. While I could create a GT/ALMS body it would be aimed first at touring car chassis with little consideration for handling in WGT as that would sell considerably more then if WGT racers wanted to use them they could, but I wouldn't expect then to beat the Sophia.
05-03-2012, 06:49 AM
#71
of GT cars that run in the FIA GT championship in Europe and the GT
cars that run in the Japanese Super GT series such as the Honda HSV-010.
To me the protoform DB9, and Sophia are the ugliest bodies made. Just
my two cents worth. Regards
Norman
05-03-2012, 07:32 AM
#72
A body manufacturers point of view.
There are many more bodies available for this class, most of them are from HPI. Here in the UK we run our own body list that has 30 bodies listed including the HPI 911 and Lamborghini bodies. Unfortunately they are designed as scale bodies so fairly useless on the track compared to the Sophia even though they look better.
Now look at the class from the body manufacturers point of view. The vast majority of WGT racers run on carpet, using spec tyres. This means almost everyone wants the same aerodynamic balance. Now if you produce a body that works well it will work well almost everywhere, so almost everyone would want to use it, then you are on to a profitable product.
Dale Epp got it right first time with the Sophia, so much that it's used just about everywhere, especially outside the US where it is the only body that's readily available. So if Protoform have already got the WGT body market sewn up, why should they spend money developing a new body that will just take sales from the Sophia as Protoform won't sell many extra bodies.
They would sell a few of the new bodies at first, as people try them out or people think they need both types for different tracks, but after that initial rush Protoform will end up selling exactly the same number of bodies as people replace worn ones, just in two different styles instead of one. WorldGT isn't big enough as a class for Protoform to recover the development costs in that one early rush of bodies, so no point Dale spending his time creating a new WGT shell when he could be making new touring car bodies that will sell in much greater numbers. The only way you would get Protoform to make a new body is if another manufacturer came in and created a body that out performed the Sophia, so taking sales away from Protoform.
Parma and Mcallister have created shells, they should have already created the best bodies they can but they still can't perform as well as the Sophia. Considering they have much lower sales compared to the Sophia is it worth their time and money creating another body that won't increase their sales, just because a small number of people might want it. Remember, they might have been started by enthusiasts but these days these are all businesses so there isn't any point in spending their time on something that isn't going to make them any more money when they can spend their time
If I was a body manufacturer WGT isn't a class I would concentrate on. While I could create a GT/ALMS body it would be aimed first at touring car chassis with little consideration for handling in WGT as that would sell considerably more then if WGT racers wanted to use them they could, but I wouldn't expect then to beat the Sophia.
There are many more bodies available for this class, most of them are from HPI. Here in the UK we run our own body list that has 30 bodies listed including the HPI 911 and Lamborghini bodies. Unfortunately they are designed as scale bodies so fairly useless on the track compared to the Sophia even though they look better.
Now look at the class from the body manufacturers point of view. The vast majority of WGT racers run on carpet, using spec tyres. This means almost everyone wants the same aerodynamic balance. Now if you produce a body that works well it will work well almost everywhere, so almost everyone would want to use it, then you are on to a profitable product.
Dale Epp got it right first time with the Sophia, so much that it's used just about everywhere, especially outside the US where it is the only body that's readily available. So if Protoform have already got the WGT body market sewn up, why should they spend money developing a new body that will just take sales from the Sophia as Protoform won't sell many extra bodies.
They would sell a few of the new bodies at first, as people try them out or people think they need both types for different tracks, but after that initial rush Protoform will end up selling exactly the same number of bodies as people replace worn ones, just in two different styles instead of one. WorldGT isn't big enough as a class for Protoform to recover the development costs in that one early rush of bodies, so no point Dale spending his time creating a new WGT shell when he could be making new touring car bodies that will sell in much greater numbers. The only way you would get Protoform to make a new body is if another manufacturer came in and created a body that out performed the Sophia, so taking sales away from Protoform.
Parma and Mcallister have created shells, they should have already created the best bodies they can but they still can't perform as well as the Sophia. Considering they have much lower sales compared to the Sophia is it worth their time and money creating another body that won't increase their sales, just because a small number of people might want it. Remember, they might have been started by enthusiasts but these days these are all businesses so there isn't any point in spending their time on something that isn't going to make them any more money when they can spend their time
If I was a body manufacturer WGT isn't a class I would concentrate on. While I could create a GT/ALMS body it would be aimed first at touring car chassis with little consideration for handling in WGT as that would sell considerably more then if WGT racers wanted to use them they could, but I wouldn't expect then to beat the Sophia.
Good points! It makes you wonder if maybe the class would thrive if the emphasis went a little more toward appearance and away from arrow. More reliability on mechanical grip and less on down force. Of course a few of the bodies would rise to the top, but the audience might be greater if people could truly identify with the cars on the track. The class in my opinion is generally accepted and there are a lot of people on the fence about getting into the class. I was a skeptic until I tried it. I thought foam tires would break the bank. I've spent less on new tires in the last year for WGT than I did for my TC and I run it a lot more. As far as overall cost of ownership, WGT is cheaper than TC for me. So, how do we market this class locally and change the market appeal? I'd go for the 200mm bodies from Tamiya and HPI to start! Dale might have to produce something more like the real C8, but in general would be better for the class.
05-03-2012, 07:49 AM
#73
Good points! It makes you wonder if maybe the class would thrive if the emphasis went a little more toward appearance and away from arrow. More reliability on mechanical grip and less on down force. Of course a few of the bodies would rise to the top, but the audience might be greater if people could truly identify with the cars on the track. The class in my opinion is generally accepted and there are a lot of people on the fence about getting into the class. I was a skeptic until I tried it. I thought foam tires would break the bank. I've spent less on new tires in the last year for WGT than I did for my TC and I run it a lot more. As far as overall cost of ownership, WGT is cheaper than TC for me. So, how do we market this class locally and change the market appeal? I'd go for the 200mm bodies from Tamiya and HPI to start! Dale might have to produce something more like the real C8, but in general would be better for the class.
Foam tire pan cars can't really be run on the street in front of the house. The reason we have SOOOO many 190 and 200mm TC bodies is not because people are racing them, it's because people are sliding them around the cul-de-sac. Look at the results of the ETS, IIC, 'Birds, and Indoor Champs, and you'll see that there are maybe 3 bodies listed in the TC classes. Bashers drive the market, and there will never be any WGT bashers.......
05-03-2012, 07:54 AM
#74
I'm not sure if scale appearance is what's holding the class back. 12th scale is way more popular globally, and it's far less realistic than WGT.
Foam tire pan cars can't really be run on the street in front of the house. The reason we have SOOOO many 190 and 200mm TC bodies is not because people are racing them, it's because people are sliding them around the cul-de-sac. Look at the results of the ETS, IIC, 'Birds, and Indoor Champs, and you'll see that there are maybe 3 bodies listed in the TC classes. Bashers drive the market, and there will never be any WGT bashers.......
Foam tire pan cars can't really be run on the street in front of the house. The reason we have SOOOO many 190 and 200mm TC bodies is not because people are racing them, it's because people are sliding them around the cul-de-sac. Look at the results of the ETS, IIC, 'Birds, and Indoor Champs, and you'll see that there are maybe 3 bodies listed in the TC classes. Bashers drive the market, and there will never be any WGT bashers.......
05-03-2012, 11:56 AM
#75
A body manufacturers point of view.
There are many more bodies available for this class, most of them are from HPI. Here in the UK we run our own body list that has 30 bodies listed including the HPI 911 and Lamborghini bodies. Unfortunately they are designed as scale bodies so fairly useless on the track compared to the Sophia even though they look better.
Now look at the class from the body manufacturers point of view. The vast majority of WGT racers run on carpet, using spec tyres. This means almost everyone wants the same aerodynamic balance. Now if you produce a body that works well it will work well almost everywhere, so almost everyone would want to use it, then you are on to a profitable product.
Dale Epp got it right first time with the Sophia, so much that it's used just about everywhere, especially outside the US where it is the only body that's readily available. So if Protoform have already got the WGT body market sewn up, why should they spend money developing a new body that will just take sales from the Sophia as Protoform won't sell many extra bodies.
They would sell a few of the new bodies at first, as people try them out or people think they need both types for different tracks, but after that initial rush Protoform will end up selling exactly the same number of bodies as people replace worn ones, just in two different styles instead of one. WorldGT isn't big enough as a class for Protoform to recover the development costs in that one early rush of bodies, so no point Dale spending his time creating a new WGT shell when he could be making new touring car bodies that will sell in much greater numbers. The only way you would get Protoform to make a new body is if another manufacturer came in and created a body that out performed the Sophia, so taking sales away from Protoform.
Parma and Mcallister have created shells, they should have already created the best bodies they can but they still can't perform as well as the Sophia. Considering they have much lower sales compared to the Sophia is it worth their time and money creating another body that won't increase their sales, just because a small number of people might want it. Remember, they might have been started by enthusiasts but these days these are all businesses so there isn't any point in spending their time on something that isn't going to make them any more money when they can spend their time
If I was a body manufacturer WGT isn't a class I would concentrate on. While I could create a GT/ALMS body it would be aimed first at touring car chassis with little consideration for handling in WGT as that would sell considerably more then if WGT racers wanted to use them they could, but I wouldn't expect then to beat the Sophia.
There are many more bodies available for this class, most of them are from HPI. Here in the UK we run our own body list that has 30 bodies listed including the HPI 911 and Lamborghini bodies. Unfortunately they are designed as scale bodies so fairly useless on the track compared to the Sophia even though they look better.
Now look at the class from the body manufacturers point of view. The vast majority of WGT racers run on carpet, using spec tyres. This means almost everyone wants the same aerodynamic balance. Now if you produce a body that works well it will work well almost everywhere, so almost everyone would want to use it, then you are on to a profitable product.
Dale Epp got it right first time with the Sophia, so much that it's used just about everywhere, especially outside the US where it is the only body that's readily available. So if Protoform have already got the WGT body market sewn up, why should they spend money developing a new body that will just take sales from the Sophia as Protoform won't sell many extra bodies.
They would sell a few of the new bodies at first, as people try them out or people think they need both types for different tracks, but after that initial rush Protoform will end up selling exactly the same number of bodies as people replace worn ones, just in two different styles instead of one. WorldGT isn't big enough as a class for Protoform to recover the development costs in that one early rush of bodies, so no point Dale spending his time creating a new WGT shell when he could be making new touring car bodies that will sell in much greater numbers. The only way you would get Protoform to make a new body is if another manufacturer came in and created a body that out performed the Sophia, so taking sales away from Protoform.
Parma and Mcallister have created shells, they should have already created the best bodies they can but they still can't perform as well as the Sophia. Considering they have much lower sales compared to the Sophia is it worth their time and money creating another body that won't increase their sales, just because a small number of people might want it. Remember, they might have been started by enthusiasts but these days these are all businesses so there isn't any point in spending their time on something that isn't going to make them any more money when they can spend their time
If I was a body manufacturer WGT isn't a class I would concentrate on. While I could create a GT/ALMS body it would be aimed first at touring car chassis with little consideration for handling in WGT as that would sell considerably more then if WGT racers wanted to use them they could, but I wouldn't expect then to beat the Sophia.