2LikesTamiya F104 Version 2
09-02-2012, 02:31 PM
#376
Team Repsol-Honda-Tamiya test session at TA Circuit 
Courtesy of Velocity RC Mag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk1v...layer_embedded
Courtesy of Velocity RC Mag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk1v...layer_embedded
09-02-2012, 02:40 PM
#377
Tech Regular
Well, i like 2 degrees camber when I use my X1 with rubbers, at least best for me this way i think , always using 0571/0572 Shimizus rubbers. And 1 or 1,5 camber with foams. Maybe i´m wrong but i fell better this way with rubbers.
09-02-2012, 04:50 PM
#378
An X1 took the win at TCS Finals last week, narrowly edging out a VII
imo, the VII has more setting options for tuners that know how to get the most out of it, where as with the X1 you are always limited by a piece of flexing fibreglass, that will never be as consistent as dampers/springs
Both cars work well, though the X1 is easier to build, and slightly more durable depending on the t-bar you use
09-03-2012, 09:10 AM
#379
Tech Fanatic
I need some more steering respons, so i will try 1.5° camber and perhaps with the silver springs or the front tires with full tire treathment (i always do half of the tire)
09-03-2012, 09:30 AM
#380
I drove my F104 PRO with 1° camber, gold springs at front and with the new TCS rubber tires and on power the car was less responsive with steering (isn't that oversteer?)
I need some more steering respons, so i will try 1.5° camber and perhaps with the silver springs or the front tires with full tire treathment (i always do half of the tire)
I need some more steering respons, so i will try 1.5° camber and perhaps with the silver springs or the front tires with full tire treathment (i always do half of the tire)
09-03-2012, 09:32 AM
#381
Oversteer=crash into barrier rear end first
Understeer=crash into barrier front end first
Power=how fast you hit barrier
Torque=how far you move barrier when you hit
Understeer=crash into barrier front end first
Power=how fast you hit barrier
Torque=how far you move barrier when you hit
| + YouTube Video | |
09-03-2012, 11:06 AM
#382
Tech Fanatic
Still learning about tuning the F104 as i haven't been that much busy with F1 cars.
Trying to get more practice with the F104 cars for next years tamiya season.
09-03-2012, 11:08 AM
#383
Oversteer=crash into barrier rear end first
Understeer=crash into barrier front end first
Power=how fast you hit barrier
Torque=how far you move barrier when you hit
Understeer=crash into barrier front end first
Power=how fast you hit barrier
Torque=how far you move barrier when you hit
| + YouTube Video | |
09-04-2012, 07:43 AM
#384
Tech Fanatic
I finally ordered myself last night a F104 PRO ver.II, very curious about it's performance, now i need a very good setup for an outdoor asphalt track with medium to good grip 
09-04-2012, 07:57 AM
#385
09-04-2012, 08:50 AM
#386
Tech Fanatic
some questions about the setup from Fred Medel.
It says 1.5° toe angle front (is that toe out or toe in?)
It also says rebound stroke, how and where do i messure that?
And upright spacer is 4mm, is that above or under steering upright?
Also 1mm spacer between front camber plate and ball nut/ball connector, but what kind of 5mm ball thing did he use?
Did he use the steering servo in standard configuration or did he use a low profile servo with the nessacery spacers?
It says 1.5° toe angle front (is that toe out or toe in?)
It also says rebound stroke, how and where do i messure that?
And upright spacer is 4mm, is that above or under steering upright?
Also 1mm spacer between front camber plate and ball nut/ball connector, but what kind of 5mm ball thing did he use?
Did he use the steering servo in standard configuration or did he use a low profile servo with the nessacery spacers?
09-04-2012, 09:59 AM
#387
I am running FMW's tamiya track setup:
http://www.teamtrf.com/index.php/set...a-track-set-up
on my asphalt track and I need MORE entry steering, off power. mid and exit are pretty good. I ran the steel driveshaft only difference.
The rear is STUCK, I could hammer throttle everywhere, 21.5, so I am willing to give up some rear.
It was very stable easy to drive everywhere, just getting killed on entry. I tried crazy rear droop, no help.
571/572
help!
http://www.teamtrf.com/index.php/set...a-track-set-up
on my asphalt track and I need MORE entry steering, off power. mid and exit are pretty good. I ran the steel driveshaft only difference.
The rear is STUCK, I could hammer throttle everywhere, 21.5, so I am willing to give up some rear.
It was very stable easy to drive everywhere, just getting killed on entry. I tried crazy rear droop, no help.
571/572
help!
09-04-2012, 02:02 PM
#388
some questions about the setup from Fred Medel.
It says 1.5° toe angle front (is that toe out or toe in?)
Toe Out
It also says rebound stroke, how and where do i messure that?
And upright spacer is 4mm, is that above or under steering upright?
Also 1mm spacer between front camber plate and ball nut/ball connector, but what kind of 5mm ball thing did he use?
Did he use the steering servo in standard configuration or did he use a low profile servo with the nessacery spacers?
It says 1.5° toe angle front (is that toe out or toe in?)
Toe Out
It also says rebound stroke, how and where do i messure that?
And upright spacer is 4mm, is that above or under steering upright?
Also 1mm spacer between front camber plate and ball nut/ball connector, but what kind of 5mm ball thing did he use?
Did he use the steering servo in standard configuration or did he use a low profile servo with the nessacery spacers?
I am running FMW's tamiya track setup:
http://www.teamtrf.com/index.php/set...a-track-set-up
on my asphalt track and I need MORE entry steering, off power. mid and exit are pretty good. I ran the steel driveshaft only difference.
The rear is STUCK, I could hammer throttle everywhere, 21.5, so I am willing to give up some rear.
It was very stable easy to drive everywhere, just getting killed on entry. I tried crazy rear droop, no help.
571/572
help!
http://www.teamtrf.com/index.php/set...a-track-set-up
on my asphalt track and I need MORE entry steering, off power. mid and exit are pretty good. I ran the steel driveshaft only difference.
The rear is STUCK, I could hammer throttle everywhere, 21.5, so I am willing to give up some rear.
It was very stable easy to drive everywhere, just getting killed on entry. I tried crazy rear droop, no help.
571/572
help!
More front camber
Softer side springs, with less, or no pre-load (AE Black are a good option)
Which front uprights are you running, middle hole on alum uprights should help
Buggy grip on tires, full front if you really need that much
Contrary to some, imo a stiff car is less likely to carry corner speed, soften it up, and it will carve
09-04-2012, 02:15 PM
#389
Raise rear ride height, or even both front and rear to get the car to roll more
More front camber
Softer side springs, with less, or no pre-load (AE Black are a good option)
Which front uprights are you running, middle hole on alum uprights should help
Buggy grip on tires, full front if you really need that much
Contrary to some, imo a stiff car is less likely to carry corner speed, soften it up, and it will carve
More front camber
Softer side springs, with less, or no pre-load (AE Black are a good option)
Which front uprights are you running, middle hole on alum uprights should help
Buggy grip on tires, full front if you really need that much
Contrary to some, imo a stiff car is less likely to carry corner speed, soften it up, and it will carve
I tired buggy grip from half to full and paragon half to 3/4 not much difference and it wore off quick
I think the softer is my answer. I did not know which way to go(hard/soft)
I am also going to try the CF rear axle.
What do you think about .5 shim under upper front arm, rear?
09-04-2012, 03:27 PM
#390
uprights: running alum middle hole, offset axle.
I tired buggy grip from half to full and paragon half to 3/4 not much difference and it wore off quick
I think the softer is my answer. I did not know which way to go(hard/soft)
I am also going to try the CF rear axle.
What do you think about .5 shim under upper front arm, rear?
I tired buggy grip from half to full and paragon half to 3/4 not much difference and it wore off quick
I think the softer is my answer. I did not know which way to go(hard/soft)
I am also going to try the CF rear axle.
What do you think about .5 shim under upper front arm, rear?
Inline axles will add some steering too
You may need to try some different tires, that's the biggest change, and most important
578 may free the back up some ?
What setup is killing you on entry ?
can you post a pic of your car ?