Thanks for the info. I am familiar with over and under drive, and roll out, and shore rating and all kinds of fun onroad terms that gave me a headache and drove me back to offroad lol. Just wondering what CM stands for, i assume it's a neutral car. I want to learn to countersteer, but feel sure that's the advanced class. Have run lots of 2wd Mod, and gas truck so i can drive with throttle when needed. will look you up when headed to the ATX. Normally that would mean a trip to Clay Pit, but maybe i can get my wife to let me do both.