Not to hijack thread, but since we are on the topic of .21's in truggy....what do you think is the smoothest/most controllable Novarossi for truggy....+4? I was thinking I want Toro, then friend pointed out Im just learning, and my driving style is smooth and steady, im not strapped at all. So now I'm thinking +4.....what do you think Monty? thanks TW