I was looking at trying 1 of these myself. And was wondering if they were rebaged which I dont mind I have checked out the Savox before. They have alum gears? Didnt see that, I seen some of the Savox ones have a mixture of tit and steel. And the weight of those models is lighter than most. I will be getting 1 or 2 to try. Orion wont put their name on just anything. Look at their new ESC KO PROPO on the bottum of it.