jamminkrazy when you look at a losi & a 808 you need to actually open your eyes not look by feel. The front caster block,steering block & front arm looks like the losi & thats it. You think the shock geometry being similar but not the same to a losi makes the 808 a direct copy? Like every car sold now doesnt have very similar geometry? Have you been drinking tonight sir? So the front outer steering parts look like a losi but obviosly are not the same as the 808 steering dosnt flop around after the first run. Why dont you buy & build a 808 so you'll understand how you sound to the people who have built both cars . Before you ask yes I have build & rebuilt(many times) several losi buggy & truggys. 3 similar parts dont make an exact copy.