I beat mid motor cars all the time on our big low grip outdoor track with my B5R. In fact, many times they seem confused, disappointed, surprised, upset, etc. when it happens. No matter what I did to my B5M it never felt as comfortable and easy to drive as the B5R on very-low to low grip. People are too quick to dismiss it and try to force the mid motor to work. In fact, rather than giving up on it, I wish AE would continue to evolve it also. Such as giving it the front end, shorter rear shock bodies / lower tower, and improved "C" and "D" inserts, cool new body, same as the B6D. Maybe it would drive even better (but give me 3mm trail pretty please). Won't happen, but hey I can dream...