thanks for info vette I do have a decent understanding of how suspension affects car handling . i also use the xxxmain set up book, the only thing in the setup book says front toe out increases intial turn in and decreases exit turn and other places i have read the opposite.i tend to believe front toe out decreases intial toe turn in and increases exit turn.I may buy the sway bars and put the softest ones on just to try and see what it does .Most guys at our track use no sway bars , they say vta needs to be loose suspension ,but i am open to new ideas . thanks again